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Old 05-06-14, 07:02 AM   #51
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Position, position, position. Adaptation adaptation adaptation.

Time on the TT bike is crucial. And slight tweaks can see double figure improvements in either aero drag or power production. Tell your parents you want to go to Disneyland and come out.

You got a PM on the TT rig?
I know what the issue is, and i always tell myself that i'm going to ride more, but then i realize that i actually have to rebuild my tt bike...

Yes i stick my srm on my tt bike when i ride it
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Old 05-06-14, 07:18 AM   #52
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I know what the issue is, and i always tell myself that i'm going to ride more, but then i realize that i actually have to rebuild my tt bike...

Yes i stick my srm on my tt bike when i ride it
i believe you meant: i would stick my srm on my tt bike if i were to ride it

also, just one SRM? plebian proletariat.





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Old 05-06-14, 08:20 AM   #53
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Yep pretty much. Also you're looking a bit fat
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never said i wasn't zaftig. i'm willing to bet i'm still way more aero than you are
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Zaftig. Get it right you ninny.
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man, if my humerus bone were 8" long I'd be so much faster.
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Old 05-06-14, 10:20 AM   #57
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never said i wasn't zaftig. i'm willing to bet i'm still way more aero than you are
But i'm stronger...


Also fudgy, i hate my 8" bone, it gets in the way.
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But i'm stronger...


Also fudgy, i hate my 8" bone, it gets in the way.
Still thinking about your mom from that other thread?
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But i'm stronger...
that you are, and like your youth, it's wasted on the young. i'm like the broke kid trying to cobble up every last bit of aero advantage and you are like the profligate who throws watts into the wind

i'll throw down the challenge right now: 20k TT (or 40k if you are masochistic enough), me vs. you, when you get to MABRA land. I may very well lose, but i have a hunch your extra 50W won't provide nearly as much marginal return
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Old 05-06-14, 10:56 AM   #60
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the eyeball wind tunnel is often wrong, but i'd bet a few bucks that is a fast​ position!
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You know i'm just being an ass. I'm about as aero as a brick on my road bike.
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Old 05-06-14, 11:19 AM   #62
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the eyeball wind tunnel is often wrong, but i'd bet a few bucks that is a fast​ position!
...assuming he can hold power while folded up into that suitcase.
I've got a CRAZY aero track-pursuit position, AND I can hold it for longer than 10 minutes - BUT, power production is so far down that it isn't worth riding.
To that end, armpad spacers and WAAATTTZ
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the eyeball wind tunnel is often wrong, but i'd bet a few bucks that is a fast​ position!
thanks. perhaps above all that's why i don't like it when stage races ban aero bikes. I can't make power like some larger guys (6ft or taller at ~75-80 kg), and the only way i equalize the field is by a) get really aero and b) get really comfortable generating power in my TT position. The larger guys in general can't get as aero, and people in general hate riding their TT bikes, and this is where i get to level the playing field a bit
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You know i'm just being an ass. I'm about as aero as a brick on my road bike.
oh c'mon, don't back down so easy from a friendly challenge. i'll buy you tacos and a horchata regardless of how you do. I'll invite that no fun teetotalling MDCatV as well

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...assuming he can hold power while folded up into that suitcase.
I've got a CRAZY aero track-pursuit position, AND I can hold it for longer than 10 minutes - BUT, power production is so far down that it isn't worth riding.
To that end, armpad spacers and WAAATTTZ
i'm relatively comfortable in that position, but i had to lower the saddle by a bit since that photo. I've never spent extended time on that bike at FTP, and the tendon/ligament going to the back of my left knee started feeling overextended when i did a workout my coach usually prescribe for the road bike. I know it was a saddle height issue b/c i had been trying to duplicate my TT position on my road bike for the EMX ITT and experienced the same issue.
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August 16, 2014. Church Creek TT #2 . D-day. I'll drive, slowest of the 3 buys at chipotle on the way back. if you cant beat me in a 40K TT, then you are truly lost!

you know, the one time in my life I don't have a beer and i'm forever a teetotaler.

lastly, my ftp on the TT bike is about 25 to 30 watts lower than my road bike. different PMs, road bike is a quarq, TT bike is an SRM, which may account for some of the disparity.
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thanks. perhaps above all that's why i don't like it when stage races ban aero bikes.
Stupidity and lack of common sense. Don't get me started.

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i'm relatively comfortable in that position, ... I've never spent extended time on that bike at FTP
Okay, so now I'm confused... how often do you ride that bike, and for what durations? A big percentage of my TT training time has historically been around FTP, with the outliers being "long-slow" stuff and "pursuit-specific" stuff (max 5' or standing starts)... I know, track-nerd.
I assume you tailor your time on the TT bike to the race lengths you'll be racing- how long are the TTs you do?
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thanks. perhaps above all that's why i don't like it when stage races ban aero bikes. I can't make power like some larger guys (6ft or taller at ~75-80 kg), and the only way i equalize the field is by a) get really aero and b) get really comfortable generating power in my TT position. The larger guys in general can't get as aero, and people in general hate riding their TT bikes, and this is where i get to level the playing field a bit

oh c'mon, don't back down so easy from a friendly challenge. i'll buy you tacos and a horchata regardless of how you do. I'll invite that no fun teetotalling MDCatV as well


i'm relatively comfortable in that position, but i had to lower the saddle by a bit since that photo. I've never spent extended time on that bike at FTP, and the tendon/ligament going to the back of my left knee started feeling overextended when i did a workout my coach usually prescribe for the road bike. I know it was a saddle height issue b/c i had been trying to duplicate my TT position on my road bike for the EMX ITT and experienced the same issue.

Fine F u dough boy, I'll kick your ass then steal your tacos
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Fine F u dough boy, I'll kick your ass then steal your tacos
i'm buying anyway. so you better not steal mine

btw, you thinking of bringing your TT bike here?
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Stupidity and lack of common sense. Don't get me started.


Okay, so now I'm confused... how often do you ride that bike, and for what durations? A big percentage of my TT training time has historically been around FTP, with the outliers being "long-slow" stuff and "pursuit-specific" stuff (max 5' or standing starts)... I know, track-nerd.
I assume you tailor your time on the TT bike to the race lengths you'll be racing- how long are the TTs you do?
tl:dr, i think you know who coaches me, and vice versa. things have been a bit more controlled in the adaptation process up to this point

long response: 10 mile -15 mile usually, occasional 40k. just set up everything back in Feb., so i haven't had that many opportunities riding it. Have done quite a few threshold level efforts, but nothing pegged right at FTP. it seems that the higher saddle was okay for shorter bursts, longer duration of FTP and above and i run into the over-extension issue

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August 16, 2014. Church Creek TT #2 . D-day. I'll drive, slowest of the 3 buys at chipotle on the way back. if you cant beat me in a 40K TT, then you are truly lost!

you know, the one time in my life I don't have a beer and i'm forever a teetotaler.

lastly, my ftp on the TT bike is about 25 to 30 watts lower than my road bike. different PMs, road bike is a quarq, TT bike is an SRM, which may account for some of the disparity.
i like chipotle, but we going to a real Mexican place. also, District Taco's pretty good (4 or 5 varieties of hot sauce), but no horchata there
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Old 05-06-14, 12:48 PM   #68
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i'm buying anyway. so you better not steal mine

btw, you thinking of bringing your TT bike here?
Okay perfect!!!! I think i'm only going to have one bike at any time (so cross bike in the winter, road in the fall/spring). I have limited space.
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tl:dr, i think you know
silly boy- you think I still ride bikes?
that was soooo "pre-thesis freak-out"

maybe I'll start riding again in August- but I folded the season, eh.
As for you, sounds like you are heading in good directions, nice
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I expect a full report of this throw down.

Jsut where did you choose to go to college?
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Georgetown. I won't be there by the 16th
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Nice. Great choice. My father's undergrad school. Best of luck to you.
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Georgetown. I won't be there by the 16th
... already making excuses for missing meetings.
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how about on the track?
One story I remember vividly, around 1980, T-Town,

The sprint was for overall points towards the Madison Cup.
There were three of us, Roger Young , Shawn Wallace and myself. If I win the heat our team received some important points,
Roger pins me to the rail while Shawn gallops away. I broke free from Roger with approx. 500m to go. Shawn had 60-75 m lead, I piped Shawn on the line and dropped Roger off my wheel at the same time,
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20 seconds behind the field.

Oh, you said winning. Sorry.
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