Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 48
  1. #1
    fuggitivo solitario echappist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Arlington, VA
    Posts
    7,843
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    What would you do if you find yourself harassed by a jerk (and racist) rider?

    On my ride today, my friend and i passed a rider who seems to be racing for one of the local clubs. we actually ran into him about an hour earlier at a coffee shop and exchanged brief pleasantries, and it just so happens that we ran into him again a bit later. When he was sucking wheel, he said quite a few things, ranging from mildly annoying to straight up racist. In addition to being a jerk to fellow racers, he was also taunting other riders he passed on the road. I was thinking of contacting his club's president and the local bike racing chapter's president, but i would like to hear how others would approach this.

    As for the actual story, nothing seemed unusual at the beginning, and my friend and i figured that he's just some rider who wanted a tow (i was coming to the 20th minute of my 30-min long threshold effort). He then pulled alongside my teammate and started chatting. I'm not quite sure what was exchanged as i was doing my best to maintain power. All the sudden i hear him say "i once had a restaurant in New Haven and hired this Yalie; she was horrible." Obnoxious, but nothing out of line there. Then i heard him say: hiring her was a bad idea, followed by a racist remark. This took me aback a bit, not the least because it was on par with what Donald Sterling said.

    My friend and i were somewhat surprised and didn't say a word. After "small talking"/harassing my friend, he pulls next to me and start yabbering again, first saying "it must be tough to be a graduate in this economy," which was in reference to my Columbia kit. I didn't say anything back. On the next roller, there were two other riders ahead (neither of whom seemed to be a bike racer). As he attacked the roller, he gave the other two riders "the look" and yelled at these two riders something along the lines of pump it, move those legs.

    Again he ran out of juice and i passed him again. His next line (noticing that my jersey was flapping): it ain't that hot; what is this, your first summer in the DC area? He kept on trying to trash talk, but i wouldn't respond. Then he lets out: oh i guess English must be your second language.

    On the final roller (and 3 min before my interval was done), he yells out: it's not how much power you got, but how smooth you are. Mr. Smooth then takes off, only to be reeled back shortly. As we were passing another rider, he taunted this rider as well.

    I can't remember too much of what else he was saying after the roller and when i pulled off the road for the end of my interval, but it was just a barrage of nonsensical trash talking.

    While my friend and I both thought about contacting his club and our regional bike racing chapter about this, i would like to hear how others may approach something like this. Had it been just annoying taunts, i'd have been fine with it, but he was being racist and being a jerk to the general population.

  2. #2
    Senior Member jsutkeepspining's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    ohioland/right near hicville farmtown
    Posts
    4,689
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    normally if someone really bugs me i just drop them by riding just hard enough that i can still talk, but they are forced to ride hard. Then they stop bugging me.

    I don't think contacting his racing chapter's president is really the right thing to do. It won't do anything, and will more just be a waste of time. I would simply say "meh, he's a fool" and try to not to interact with him.
    cat 1-o-meter: wtf am i doing??????
    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    You're not dumb. You're just less smart.

  3. #3
    Senior Member jsutkeepspining's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    ohioland/right near hicville farmtown
    Posts
    4,689
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    people like that generally tend to inadvertently alienate themselves from everyone and things work out fine in the long run.
    cat 1-o-meter: wtf am i doing??????
    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    You're not dumb. You're just less smart.

  4. #4
    Senior Member jsutkeepspining's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    ohioland/right near hicville farmtown
    Posts
    4,689
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    or you could jut tell him to suck your dick
    cat 1-o-meter: wtf am i doing??????
    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    You're not dumb. You're just less smart.

  5. #5
    fuggitivo solitario echappist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Arlington, VA
    Posts
    7,843
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    lol.

    i think not talking to him pissed him off more than anything else.

    also, if anyone think this may be a bit sensitive to discuss in a forum, feel free to PM me

  6. #6
    aka Phil Jungels Wanderer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    North Aurora, IL
    My Bikes
    Road & Hybrid
    Posts
    5,447
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Contact his sponsor, and let them know how negatively it affected their product.......................

    "Retirement is the best job I ever had!" Me, 2009


    Specialized Crosstrail Sport - '08
    Nishiki Sport - misappropriated from my youngest son (circa 1984)
    Marin Stinson - misappropriated by my youngest grandson - '01
    "The Beast" - 1990 Schwinn Airdyne (in the basement for winter torture)

  7. #7
    . botto's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    40,335
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    leakage.

  8. #8
    Senior Member globecanvas's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    The Gunks
    Posts
    1,210
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I would ignore him. As you did. Mission accomplished!
    Ninny

  9. #9
    Senior Member grolby's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    BOSTON BABY
    Posts
    6,702
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I think ignoring is mostly the right strategy, with the exception being that I think the most appropriate response to the racist comments is to call him on it, loudly and explicitly. Guys like this think it's okay to spout off that drivel because silence comes across to them as tacit agreement. You can't make them not racist, but you can help make them too ashamed to be a dick publicly.

  10. #10
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    My Bikes
    Super Cheap gc3 approved Bike
    Posts
    1,177
    Mentioned
    11 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by echappist View Post
    lol.

    i think not talking to him pissed him off more than anything else.

    also, if anyone think this may be a bit sensitive to discuss in a forum, feel free to PM me
    Sadly he didn't take the hint.

  11. #11
    Arrogant Roadie Punk save10's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    California
    Posts
    2,033
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    you need to drope the hammer next time

  12. #12
    **** that mattm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    CALI
    Posts
    11,004
    Mentioned
    40 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    41 lashings!








    In all seriousness, ignoring him was the best move.

  13. #13
    illusoryly superior Ygduf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Redwood City, CA
    My Bikes
    road bikes
    Posts
    5,518
    Mentioned
    10 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    man, some adolescents on fixies started talking **** to me on my way home the other day as I passed them. I brake checked myself back into their group, and as they all scrambled trying to not eat **** and fall over I was like "What?!" and pretended to be clueless.

    Then I rode away faster than they could go so they could not retaliate.

    Were I being harassed by this guy I'd probably push him into a curb and run away. I'm big enough to cause harm, but not really brave. Either way you can't just let someone be racist and talk **** and ruin your day.

    twitter.com/ygduf
    strava.com/athletes/ygduf

  14. #14
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Minnesota
    My Bikes
    '09 Trek 2.1, '75 Sekine, '90 Giant Mtb, Raleigh M20, Fuji Nevada mtb.
    Posts
    1,170
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    After enough of his trashing everyone I think you should have called him out. My typical response to jerks is a disgusted look and tone saying something like, "hey, why not just knock it off and leave everyone enjoy their day..." At least I then know I am making an attempt, and go from their.
    "Of course you eat too much" (Looigi) There are things people say that are so true you can never forget the wisdom. I still eat too much. Without denial.
    Awarded 2014 Billy Madison "Ultimate Insult" by jsharr. Must have been something about my rambling, incoherent response...

  15. #15
    New Orleans
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    2,453
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    There is no cure for folks like him.
    But on the bright side-he is himself 24/7
    Ignore or just "politely grunt" at him.

  16. #16
    Senior Member globecanvas's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    The Gunks
    Posts
    1,210
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ygduf View Post
    Were I being harassed by this guy I'd probably push him into a curb and run away. I'm big enough to cause harm, but not really brave.

    The ideal combination of big enough to push someone over and high enough FTP to run away from them.
    Ninny

  17. #17
    Fly on the wall
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Colorado Springs
    My Bikes
    a few
    Posts
    979
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Call him out on it..., "What the hell is wrong with you, that's racist. Go away."
    Seems like he was seeking some kind of validation from you two.
    He'll probably be pissed after that but if he has any sort of conscious he'll probably think twice before bringing that up on a ride again. He most likely started talking that that in the first place because he got some reinforcement from others in the past to continue talking like that.

    In general, I think we try avoiding offending people but in some instances that instant reinforcement has a better chance of evoking some change.
    Nothing should come between you and your chamois -- lawkd

  18. #18
    Senior Member shovelhd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Western MA
    My Bikes
    Yes
    Posts
    11,443
    Mentioned
    27 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    He's a moron. Not worth the brain cells. Focus on the intervals.

  19. #19
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    6,280
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    sorry, I was just joking around :-)

    honestly, I don't know the exchange that took place or the context of it, but contacting the club the guy rides on is the way to go. tell whomever you contact the name of the rider if you can, or if no name, description of rider and bike, they can probably pick him out if he's an active member rather than someone who still has a kit from several years ago and is no longer on the squad.

    I wouldn't go into how they disturbed your interval, that's kind of just fred noise, but if they were spouting off insults without knowing you, saying things that were offensive, and essentially harassing you (and others), i'm pretty sure that their club would want to know.

    you know that I'm in a team captain role, so speaking as someone in a leadership position on my club, if it were someone on my squad, it reflects poorly on me. I'd want to know so that I could address it and nip it, now.

  20. #20
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    MABRA-VA
    Posts
    355
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    +1 on ignoring

    i'd be tempted to reach out to their sponsor on social media and mention something. It will get them into some heat within their own team as we have had problems in the past. Unfortunately the person who complained confused a different team with ours when our teams had very similar names and color schemes.

  21. #21
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    281
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by globecanvas View Post
    The ideal combination of big enough to push someone over and high enough FTP to run away from them.
    lol - you can never win a fight with fudgy

  22. #22
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Tulsa OK
    Posts
    1,331
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    The only person I've dealt with like that was within our own group. He was a creepy guy who constantly asked women in our group to go on camping trips with him. Most of those girls were either married or in college (20 years+ younger than him). I called him out 25 miles out on a ride and told him he was no longer welcome with us and when I got back the rest of the club backed me and told him to stay away. I probably wouldn't have the patience to not say something out on the road if someone was talking like the guy in this thread though.

  23. #23
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Location
    Minnesota
    My Bikes
    Raleighs, Kabukis, and a Peugeot
    Posts
    135
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I vote for calling these types out. They need to know that good people do not share his views and that his behavior is not acceptable.

  24. #24
    illusoryly superior Ygduf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Redwood City, CA
    My Bikes
    road bikes
    Posts
    5,518
    Mentioned
    10 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by modelmartin View Post
    I vote for calling these types out. They need to know that good people do not share his views and that his behavior is not acceptable.
    agree. shame is a tool to wield on these people. if no one speaks up, he'll just be out harassing someone else tomorrow.

    twitter.com/ygduf
    strava.com/athletes/ygduf

  25. #25
    Senior Member JohnKScott's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Franklin, TN
    My Bikes
    None yo damn binness
    Posts
    3,061
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    This...

    Quote Originally Posted by kindablue View Post
    Call him out on it..., "What the hell is wrong with you, that's racist. Go away."
    Then this...

    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    He's a moron. Not worth the brain cells. Focus on the intervals.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •