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    technical is good
    keeps things interesting
    and helps form breaks
    sounds like id like harlem

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    it's not technical. just historically dangerous, and now tighter.

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    ^ For Harlem the main straight is mostly 2 lanes wide due to barriers. The pits, etc, are on the road, but "off the course" if you will. The last turn will be absolutely crazy if the curbs are that far in, as it is guys barely make it through (and in the last turn they use the whole road and narrow it as you get down the stretch).

    That first turn will be interesting. On really, really fast laps guys have gone off into the barricades, and that's when it was full width (they do curb-to-curb for that first straight).

    I think that guys will be cornering at max speed for the first and last turns on the hot laps. I think there will be braking, even near the front. A really good leadout will be more important than normal, and maybe breaks will get away just a bit easier due to the amplified accordion effect in the field.

    The one Harlem I got on cam.

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    I'm in for Exeter and Worcester M40+ and Fitchburg M50+. That's a lot of racing for me.

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    You'll have a great time. I wish Fitchburg was not the same weekend as the NY state RR, which I will suck at anyway, but is effectively a social obligation. Same problem with Tour of the Catskills and Iron Hill.

    For the record, I don't know what Harlem was like before the recent road traffic pattern changes, but all of the turns were super wide and rounded. They removed all of the plastic traffic dividers and laid out the course way up into the pedestrian area. There were no corners to speak of, and no real congestion points (except for where an SUV was inexplicably parked inside turn 3). But there was a ton of road paint and a weird rough textured surface on the turns that might as well have been designed to grate skin off of bodies. And of course tons of potholes, manholes, random sharp debris, etc. At one point there was something that looked like an IED in the middle of turn 3 but it was gone by the next lap.

    I'd love to do Keith Berger next weekend but I think I need a weekend off of racing -- starting to feel a little overdone.

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    Are you doing Iron Hill? I'd love to do that course but it's a long trip if I don't qualify and for the feature I'm not excited about racing in that jambalaya of a mixed field.

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    yeah, that was on my calendar until I found out what it's really like. no interest in being down there for an early morning 45+ then spending the whole day waiting to race at night against a mixed field.

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    I'd really like to do Iron Hill. WCRoadie lives 2 miles from the race and I'm sure he would be hospitable (as in, hang out at his house between the early race and the later one). He also advises that the race is very crashy.

    He says it's hard not to qualify for the headliner in recent years because the fields have been smaller. The headliner is pretty weird with all the different categories mixed together, it might be kooky and fun or it might be chaos.

    I'd do it for sure if it weren't a conflict with Catskills, which is like the cycling social event of the year here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by globecanvas View Post
    You'll have a great time. I wish Fitchburg was not the same weekend as the NY state RR, which I will suck at anyway, but is effectively a social obligation. Same problem with Tour of the Catskills and Iron Hill.

    For the record, I don't know what Harlem was like before the recent road traffic pattern changes, but all of the turns were super wide and rounded. They removed all of the plastic traffic dividers and laid out the course way up into the pedestrian area. There were no corners to speak of, and no real congestion points (except for where an SUV was inexplicably parked inside turn 3). But there was a ton of road paint and a weird rough textured surface on the turns that might as well have been designed to grate skin off of bodies. And of course tons of potholes, manholes, random sharp debris, etc. At one point there was something that looked like an IED in the middle of turn 3 but it was gone by the next lap.

    I'd love to do Keith Berger next weekend but I think I need a weekend off of racing -- starting to feel a little overdone.
    come north. stay at my house and do whiteface. no pressure race. weather is going to be good too.

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    60 bucks to climb one mountain. pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
    come north. stay at my house and do whiteface. no pressure race. weather is going to be good too.

    That's a very kind offer, but I think an FTP test hill climb is the last thing I need right now

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    Quote Originally Posted by globecanvas View Post
    I'd really like to do Iron Hill. WCRoadie lives 2 miles from the race and I'm sure he would be hospitable (as in, hang out at his house between the early race and the later one). He also advises that the race is very crashy.

    He says it's hard not to qualify for the headliner in recent years because the fields have been smaller. The headliner is pretty weird with all the different categories mixed together, it might be kooky and fun or it might be chaos.

    I'd do it for sure if it weren't a conflict with Catskills, which is like the cycling social event of the year here.
    I may do Iron Hill - it's still 6 weeks away so I'll be cat 4 by then. Probably be Cat 4 eligible next week if I do Rockleigh Thursday and then Central Park CRCA race on Saturday. Iron Hill is only 15 miles from my parent's house in Philly so it's pretty convenient if the wife and I take a trip down there to see family.

    Whiteface is far - 5 hours from NYC/Jersey? Gsteinb, I thought you didn't do road races and hilly races?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy McTrumpy View Post
    60 bucks to climb one mountain. pass.
    They do a nice thing. BBQ party afterwards. All the hill climbs are expensive. Mt Washington is $350.

    Having done it a bunch of time, it's totally worth the $60

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    BUMPS races are all pretty expensive. My club does Greylock, and it is a club money maker. There is no shortage of riders. Mt Washington sells out in a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramercy View Post
    I may do Iron Hill - it's still 6 weeks away so I'll be cat 4 by then. Probably be Cat 4 eligible next week if I do Rockleigh Thursday and then Central Park CRCA race on Saturday. Iron Hill is only 15 miles from my parent's house in Philly so it's pretty convenient if the wife and I take a trip down there to see family.

    Whiteface is far - 5 hours from NYC/Jersey? Gsteinb, I thought you didn't do road races and hilly races?

    I don't live in NYC. I don't even live near NYC.

    Whiteface, where I have a house, is a bit less than 4 hours from my house in NJ.

    I do Whiteface most years…does that count as hilly? I did the wilimington-whiteface RR two weeks ago. It's pretty tough to pass up races that start 5 miles from your house, even if they might not be your ideal event. I'd do a hilly RR every week before I got up for a 5:30 start in central park. And at 150 pounds I go up hill pretty good, even if I don't have the training to climb with the elite masters climbers right now.
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    I passed on the road race that goes right by my street only because it was low 40's and raining. I won't race 2.5 hours in that.

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    that's not really what I'm talking about, but yeah I don't race in that anyway.

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    It's hard to pass up races that pass the street you live on and you live 2 miles from the start finish. That was my point.

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    I totally hear you on the backyard races, which is why I'm skipping Fitchburg despite really wanting to go, and why I'm conflicted about Iron Hill even though the alternative is getting slaughtered on Devil's Kitchen.

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    I was going to go to TOAD, so fitchburg is a compromise for me.

    Last time I did Whiteface I got 7th in my age group. I love going up that mountain. It's just so damn much fun.

    On local stuff, especially local in far off locales, if it's not supported it'll go away. In most cases I'd have done the circuit race in Wilmington and skipped the RR. But I'd rather support the races and promoters so I can be part of helping them grow, or simply survive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
    It would require slight of hand for me to get back down to a 3.

    Problem in NY this year is the CRCA board seems to be heavy on young 3s who don't respect the reality of east coast masters racing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    Are you doing Iron Hill? I'd love to do that course but it's a long trip if I don't qualify and for the feature I'm not excited about racing in that jambalaya of a mixed field.
    I was thinking about this while dodging snakes on my MTB just now. I would really like to do Iron Hill, and it would probably tip the scales if I knew I'd be racing with you. Whattaya say?

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    GC, now ya got me thinking. That's dangerous.

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    I'm in White Plains now through weekend. Wasn't planning on racing, but let me know if there is something close; just in case. Thnx NE'ers

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    Rockleigh Thursday night
    There's also an omnium this weekend in nj

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