Enthalpic

USADA / WADA sanctions extend to other sports. My point was that you put the line in the wrong place despite being pretty sure.

revchuck 

It appears needmoreair is unaware there's a difference.

FWIW, when I decided to get a USAC license and race, I checked my prescriptions and the OTC stuff I take again the list referenced on USADA's site. My blood pressure med was lisinopril and HCTZ; turned out that HCTZ is prohibited, so I had my doc change the prescription to straight lisinopril. It's every racer's responsibility to do this.

tetonrider

i think one then gets banned from any sport that has adopted the USADA (/WADA?) code. i know that includes USAT for triathlons....not sure if it might include stuff like bowling events (?!?) and other random competitions we wouldn't normally think about. anyway, it's bigger than just cycling, but to your point if someone doesn't care about USAC licensed events they probably don't care about any of the other stuff, either.

(isn't that what lance was pissed about -- getting banned from triathlon, too?)

gsteinb

David Anthony got banned for testing positive at a gran fondo.

gsteinb

OMG I'm rubber and you're glue.

For an old guy you kinda act like a kid.

Shrug. Blue star and all, I'm pretty clear on what's going on. If you want to try and down play your offering how money should be spent, that's cool.

Here's one though

You also are using the funds raised for drug testing to remove the USAC fee you don't like.

That there's amateur testing is really old news. You're the one shocked and appalled by it. You seem to be the guy who doesn't seem to get the reasons why people want testing. Or what they're catching people for. It hasn't been cold medicine. And as far as knowing what's on the list, there's an app.

As for the overarching point which you neglected to address…people, teams, associations are raising money for the express purpose of testing. If that's what they want more power to them. They see a need, and are finding ways to fulfill.

Wesley36

qft

MDcatV

holy smokes needmoreair, you seem to be wound up pretty tightly. take a deep breath, it'll all be OK. if you venture north, I hope to see you in the races sometime. give me a shout if you do, and say hi.

thechemist

I also checked my nose spray, which I was put on for life, all checked out good with USADA.

himespau 

Glad it didn't hold you up any longer than it did and that you didn't urgently need to be somewhere.

shovelhd

There was absolutely nothing obtuse about what I wrote. I find it hard to believe that you really think allowing selective doping in amateur sport is fair. If you're a troll you're doing a really poor job of it. I hear there are some experts in Trollheim that would be wiling to teach you.

shovelhd

Just FYI, gran fondos can be sanctioned and permitted by USAC. There is a separate section of the rule book for them.

Ygduf

did you need a usac license to participate in the fondo? If not he could just ride it next year and not provide his usac # when registering right?

gsteinb

Fair enough. I don't think that one was though.

Ygduf

ok, yeah. that is my point.

There is no slippery-slope argument to be made because it's not a slope, it's a pool full of events that are sanctioned or run under USAC. Maybe that triggers you for a wider WADA ban too, but wtf do I know. It's not going to stop you from racing some team's training crit, lots of fondos, Deathride-type stuff, etc.

gsteinb

Some guy was banned, doing trainjng crits, and usac came down on guys who were letting that happen. Details escape me now.

shovelhd

Lisbon Quintaro?

Out west they have regularly scheduled training crits that are run underground, as in unsanctioned.

gsteinb

No this was a national story. Colorado or something.

needmoreair

Your reading abilities are abysmal. Where have I said anything about allowing selective doping?

Copy and paste it next time instead of wasting everyone's time replying to stuff you "think" is being written.

needmoreair

This is the internet, mate. My feelings on any particular subject are generally apathetic at best. Nothing wound up about it. I don't care if they tested at the weekly night sprint ride. I would still think it utterly stupid (but no, not the stupidest thing I've ever heard) and would argue against it on an internet forum, but it really doesn't impact my daily life a bit. Same as most everything we talk about on here.

needmoreair

See, why should you even need to check that? What category are you? Are you racing for a living?

That's what I find crazy, that you'd have to even worry about something like that.

If you're going for national titles or worlds teams or pro races or something where people are trying to make a living, then right on. But this is a hobby for the vast majority of us and having to go to such an extent to ensure you're not accidentally using a banned product is a bit ridiculous.

needmoreair

There's a difference? Geez, man, you're right. I got all the way to a cat 1 without actually knowing what was a race and what wasn't. Thank god for this internet forum. Just think how embarrassing it would have been if I'd ever asked someone something along the lines of getting upgrade points after taking a KOM or something! The horror!

needmoreair

Oh, look, someone who has nothing pertinent to say but is so desperate for whatever attention he can get that he throws out that disingenuous little quip.

Well hello fella! Hope you're feeling nice and recognized now.

needmoreair

You seem super hung up on that rubber and glue thing. Is it the fumes that keep you coming back?

Copy and paste where I typed anything expressing "shock and appall" about amateurs being tested.

I wrote about testing at a state championship. Keep up, man. I can't keep going back and breaking things down for you all the time.

gsteinb

I think you're confusing different conversations with different people perhaps, but I've posted very little to you. Certainly nothing about rubber or glue. I get that you're full of yourself and really out of touch, but that's actually an expression.

As to cutting as pasting I'll do what I want, honestly. It's an internet forum, after all.

As to state level, national level, try and keep up…I've already addressed anything you've posted regarding that.

needmoreair

It's an expression that has been tossed around in this thread or that other one already.

Apologies if it wasn't you. I'd go back and find out who, but, yeah, internet forum and all.

You can't copy and paste because I didn't say it. That's the point.

You've already addressed it? And yet here you are making erroneous assertions about what I'm "shocked and appalled by"? So are you just clueless or are you just being blatantly dishonest?