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Old 05-29-14, 08:06 PM   #76
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The rider crossing the line first did it in the least amount of time, but that does not make him/her the fastest person. The winner may have had the best team working to put him in a better position than the fastest person.

I know this might be a bit deep for you.
The first person across the line completed the course the fastest. Get it?

Person....covering the distance the fastest.... fastest....fastest....

I feel like I need to draw a picture for some of you.
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Old 05-29-14, 08:08 PM   #78
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Really?
Hey look, another person showcasing their inability to actually refute what's been written. Hear, hear!
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The first person across the line completed the course the fastest. Get it?

Person....covering the distance the fastest.... fastest....fastest....

I feel like I need to draw a picture for some of you.
Looks like my suspicion was correct.
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Old 05-29-14, 08:12 PM   #80
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Looks like my suspicion was correct.

So now you've little more to offer than a regression into semantics that you cannot possibly win because you've chosen an example that runs contrary to the very definition of a race itself.

Gotcha. Good night for you, huh?
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Why?! If half the peloton has it then what's the point? It loses all value.

A teammate that doesn't win nats is NOT the winner. This is a ridiculously simple concept and I'm having a really hard time figuring out how anyone can think that a person that does NOT win a race should be rewarded in the same vein as someone that does.
I think you need to learn how to read before replying. Take another crack at it and get back to me.
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Old 05-29-14, 08:31 PM   #82
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I think you need to learn how to read before replying. Take another crack at it and get back to me.
alright. yes. the pros.

my mistake.

edit: again.

still a stupid idea. the point of a race is to win. if you don't win, you don't win!

is everyone on the team going to get this little "i didn't win" stripe? Even if they weren't in the race?

well, 2 of the guys were at uspros so they'll have a red/white/blue I didn't win stripe.
4 more were at the "insert country" champs, so they get that stripe.
And these 9 were at the Tour, so they get a yellow strip.
oh, and these three were on the world champs team, so they get that. of course, the other 5 dudes were on 5 other trade teams, so they get that, too, just let their teams know.

nevermind. this idea is awesome. thanks for convincing me.

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Arguing is fun, but this is starting to seem unfair.
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Are you serious?

You can take whatever glory you need to take to make you feel like you're doing something worthwhile. At the end of the day, the only glory is the one bestowed to the guy that crossed the line first. That's why we have "winners". That's why we have "titles".
I'm worried you might just be a jerk?

I've both given and received compliments on riding done for a teammate. It's a nice feeling having someone tell you that you rode well and controlled the race for a teammate who won/placed. Is that not some form of glory?
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He is doing fine, carry on.
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Arguing is fun, but this is starting to seem unfair.
There's no crying in cycling.
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There's no crying in cycling.
You've apparently never seen me compete.
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I've cried. ER with a shaterred elbow and the sinking feeling my season was over. harden up tough guys. real men cry
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The first person across the line completed the course the fastest. Get it?

Person....covering the distance the fastest.... fastest....fastest....

I feel like I need to draw a picture for some of you.
A ship can only have one Captain, but he still needs his crew. If being a crew (cycle team) member does not float your boat, try tennis, but stay away from playing doubles.

BTW, perhaps let the TDF organizers know, they used the wrong English for publishing all their new teams, as "team" does not exist in cycling, or it is not a "team" sport.

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I don't think anyone is saying the whole team should get the same reward as the winner

A small star/strip on the bib shorts maybe for the team with the winner getting the jersey + accolades and all that accompany the win to the single individual.
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Can we merge these threads? "If cycling is a team sport, why are we wasting money on drug testing?"
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I could see a member of a tour de france winning squad getting to put a small yellow jersey emblem on their kit, perhaps until the next tour, or maybe for life. worlds is weird though since sometimes you have trade team members supporting their lead riding for another country.
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Can we merge these threads? "If cycling is a team sport, why are we wasting time on BF?"
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I could see a member of a tour de france winning squad getting to put a small yellow jersey emblem on their kit, perhaps until the next tour, or maybe for life. worlds is weird though since sometimes you have trade team members supporting their lead riding for another country.
I think it would all get kind of convoluted since riders switch trade teams annually as well.
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I've cried. ER with a shaterred elbow and the sinking feeling my season was over. harden up tough guys. real men cry
Right there with you man, when I broke my collarbone. Let's talk it over next time we get together for hugs and really really big glasses of wine.

needmoreair on the other hand has never cried. He takes curdled milk in his coffee and eats baby porcupines for breakfast. And he knows that winning a bike race is serious business and no one cares about those other chumps who showed up to lose.
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Can we merge these threads? "If cycling is a team sport, why are we wasting money on drug testing?"
There do seem to be very similar dynamics in them.
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I've cried. ER with a shaterred elbow and the sinking feeling my season was over. harden up tough guys. real men cry
Are you calling me a *****, tough guy?
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needmoreair on the other hand has never cried. He takes curdled milk in his coffee and eats baby porcupines for breakfast. And he knows that winning a bike race is serious business and no one cares about those other chumps who showed up to lose.
He just needs more air. Laying off the blue bottle would be a good start.
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There do seem to be very similar dynamics in them.
lol.

we discuss doping, take hard stands about "cheaters" all the time, and hear about it on the news with some frequency. Some of the things I've personally heard on the news over excuses for failures being related to sample handling, chain of custody issues, mix ups, etc., have always landed hollow on my ears, but in the absence of actually being subject to the process, I didn't have first hand insight to their veracity.

Since I now have actually been tested, I thought it was a good thread to provide some first hand insight into the process, and to have a thread where dialogue could be had over the how and where.

instead, it turned into an obtuse discussion about the merits of testing, petty arguments, and lastly casting insults. <shrug> such is life.
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lol.

we discuss doping, take hard stands about "cheaters" all the time, and hear about it on the news with some frequency. Some of the things I've personally heard on the news over excuses for failures being related to sample handling, chain of custody issues, mix ups, etc., have always landed hollow on my ears, but in the absence of actually being subject to the process, I didn't have first hand insight to their veracity.

Since I now have actually been tested, I thought it was a good thread to provide some first hand insight into the process, and to have a thread where dialogue could be had over the how and where.

instead, it turned into an obtuse discussion about the merits of testing, petty arguments, and lastly casting insults. <shrug> such is internet.
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