I don't get this blue bottle thing. Explain?
it's coffee. I presume the joke is the caffeine is making him hyper. Otherwise there is some liquour by blue bottle, and the joke is that he's drunk.
Think fast and furious.
blue bottles at all- nasty, aggressive monsters.
I rattled and hacked through this thread quickly.
Conclusion; only those that have ridden on cohesive teams should chime in. Which basically takes out almost every lower cat on this board.
And to the guy who thought Cav was the weakest of his squad and was plainly dropped off with 150 meters left. I double dog dare you to sit on those wheels, at those speeds, in those quarters and still have anything left to accelerate even more in the end. Cav can out-climb, out-TT and out-roleur half the peloton, but is paid to sit and wait. "Team" orders. See... there's that damn "team" sport thing again.
Jamie, tactics and teamwork are my bread and butter, but don't give away the secrets. Otherwise everyone will think they too can be in our super secret club of knowledge. And really, they can't. Selflessness be required and weekend warriorism tends to find the opposite.
Anyone dismissing the efforts that sprinters put in should at least ride 5 minutes of threshold over-under efforts and then try to sprint. Most probably won't be able to get out of the saddle.
In the TDF, one man stands atop a podium. Who said anything about there not being any teams? Again, copy and paste it instead of wasting everyone's time replying to stuff you simply make up.
At the end of the day you guys can try to argue all you want but it simply doesn't matter. One person wins. That's it. Choose a better side to argue next time.
Well, this was fun. And revealing.
Thanks, all, for playing along.
I now know who I want on my cycling team.
Sure it is. So is getting a hug from a 5 year old while he whispers "you're the greatest bike racer in the whole world" into your ear.
Don't get me wrong. There are lots and lots and lots of reasons to race and race as well as you can (or do anything) and the vast, vast majority of people do it for something other than winning (because winning is very, very hard).
But the race is for the winner. The top podium spot, the flowers, the kisses, the trophy, the money,the jersey, the title, etc., is for the winner. It is not for the winner's teammates. They may take pride in their role and may relish in the glory and spoils of victory, to be sure, but they themselves are not the victor. It's simply not how racing works.
So the whole idea of stripes or jerseys or whatever for teammates is ridiculous, in my opinion. And I'm speaking as someone who has been a teammate and not a winner. I would feel ridiculous wearing nat. champ stripes or world champ stripes or whatever if I wasn't the first person across the line. The winner seals the deal. They're the ones who got across the line first. They're the ones who deserve that glory.
That's what I'd want for the vast majority of American races. Screw the skinny climber guys. Put them in the gutter and get on with your day and hope your sprinter throws a little podium girl game your way from time to time.
*edit: actually, I care to argue the definitive meaning of the word "for." There are many goals and reasons to race, therefor all those things listed, and especially something as amorphous and fungible as the "glory" you first referenced, can be "for" just about anyone in a race.
There is one person marked as first place, but many winners. Even on the USAC results page, you'll see multiple gold/silver/bronze trophy icons down the list. That's one small denotation that there is more than first place to be recognized, as it is literally bring recognized on the results.
Last edited by Ygduf; 05-30-14 at 04:21 PM.
But no, there are not "many winners" of a race. There is a winner of a race. If a race is broken up so that there is more than one winner, then that simply means that there are races within that race. But that winner is still the winner of a particular race and does not share that victory with another (unless a team event, which road racing isn't...see how I brought that full-circle? Yeah.).
Something listen? You mean listen up? Yeah, amigo. That's precisely what I'm putting down. And I wasn't even sure how it was spelled, I just tapped into my incredible phonemic awareness abilities and coded that stuff out. Oyyyy-yeahhhhh.
But since you mentioned it, oi,oi,oi!