So, point Gary.
So, point Gary.
It's not a contraction of anything. It's a friggin' word. I'm dropping French AND Spanish on you guys in the same post. 'Cause that's the faux-Euro pro way, mate (that's some down-under thunder for you, too, 'cause cycling is so international. Lekker, lekker!).
Semantic tautology is boring. Are you incapable of connotation or nuanced discussion? e.g. I have absolutely seen victors share their wins with their teammates. Both the prizes, the credit, the photos, the glory. You name it, they shared it.
Personally I don't think they should get much more than a thank you and some $$. Champions are unique, and while they may need help to win, the helpers are relatively common and interchangeable.
I do not believe that team members of amateur national champions should be allowed to have stripes on their sleeves.
So, err, if we are only really talking about professional cyclists... and this is really a fan recognition thing than anything having to do with the actual racing per se... isn't this really 217 material rather than 33?
Cat 2 Track, Cat 3 Road.
"If you’re new enough [to racing] that you would ask such question, then i would hazard a guess that if you just made up a workout that sounded hard to do, and did it, you’d probably get faster." --the tiniest sprinter
I'm not a pro so I don't give a crap what is on their jersey.
And it's not actually taking the discussion anywhere productive. Maybe you think it's because you're just speaking truth and no one can handle your straight-talking ways, but damn if YMCA didn't just come in here with some strong opinions and a friggin' point to go with them. And lo and behold, no one is telling him he needs to switch to decaf.
I'm out for harlem. I'd rather eat dinner with my family than skinscrape the P12 on a narrowed course.
First cycling was not a team sport.
Then it became a road race solo sport.
Then you rode in a "team".
So it sounds like a pro stage race has multiple winners, single winners and a winning team.
It's raining here this morning, have to get on the phone and call my team... oops sorry team was the wrong word.
Have to call my WTF ever we want to name them, there are 14 of us out for a 6 hour ride, probably have to leave at noon.
Let's go ride our bikes.
The oldest and most storied bicycle road races that I can think of (The Tour de France and Paris-Roubaix) began as solo effort sports. As far as I know, teams did not come in to the sport until later. Perhaps it is just tradition.
Track events do award team medals for multiple rider events like team pursuit and team time trial and madison, but those have a different tradition.
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Pure and simple, because it's a goofy sport. But let's get some perspective here, all teams sports are goofy to a non-fan. I used to avidly follow Pro Football, and even those games have silliness if you're honest about it ... and watching soccer I can't even figure out why the fans cheer when they do. I could go on, but the basic fact is that it's just a feature of team sports.
Is there one winner? Then what's the argument again?
A pro stage race has one winner. A stage of such a race has one winner. That winner may or not be the overall winner, but there are not two overall winners, just like there are not two stage winners. You obviously understand this so why you're being so obtuse on the matter is beyond me. It certainly doesn't help you try to make a point.
The first person over the line is the winner and is that right or not? I don't think that's the issue, here, but if you say so...
Next up for debate, whether or not the winners of a Nascar race, running race, horse race, school yard sprint, etc., should be the "winner".
Woah, it's like an emoticon peloton.