Cat 5 to Cat 4...
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Upgrade question
I know that you need to do 10 mass start races to go from Cat 5 to Cat 4, no issue. A few questions tought...
Does all races in which you in a mass start (crits, rr's) count to the 10 even if you...
- Are DNF (pulled or drop out)
- Do not finish in the main peloton
- Are not in the "ranked" riders (top 20 in most cases), i.e. placed
If you do not place in the top 20 or so how do you request and upgrade from 5 - 4? Do you have to prove that you were in 10 mass start races or do they know?
I am not all that concerned but I would like to be able to upgrade when I get more completative in Cat 5 and higher it will be more important... (like next year). This does not apply for 4 - 3 or higher.
Thanks as always.
I know that you need to do 10 mass start races to go from Cat 5 to Cat 4, no issue. A few questions tought...
Does all races in which you in a mass start (crits, rr's) count to the 10 even if you...
- Are DNF (pulled or drop out)
- Do not finish in the main peloton
- Are not in the "ranked" riders (top 20 in most cases), i.e. placed
If you do not place in the top 20 or so how do you request and upgrade from 5 - 4? Do you have to prove that you were in 10 mass start races or do they know?
I am not all that concerned but I would like to be able to upgrade when I get more completative in Cat 5 and higher it will be more important... (like next year). This does not apply for 4 - 3 or higher.
Thanks as always.
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Originally Posted by my58vw
Upgrade question
I know that you need to do 10 mass start races to go from Cat 5 to Cat 4, no issue. A few questions tought...
Does all races in which you in a mass start (crits, rr's) count to the 10 even if you...
- Are DNF (pulled or drop out)
- Do not finish in the main peloton
- Are not in the "ranked" riders (top 20 in most cases), i.e. placed
If you do not place in the top 20 or so how do you request and upgrade from 5 - 4? Do you have to prove that you were in 10 mass start races or do they know?
I am not all that concerned but I would like to be able to upgrade when I get more completative in Cat 5 and higher it will be more important... (like next year). This does not apply for 4 - 3 or higher.
Thanks as always.
I know that you need to do 10 mass start races to go from Cat 5 to Cat 4, no issue. A few questions tought...
Does all races in which you in a mass start (crits, rr's) count to the 10 even if you...
- Are DNF (pulled or drop out)
- Do not finish in the main peloton
- Are not in the "ranked" riders (top 20 in most cases), i.e. placed
If you do not place in the top 20 or so how do you request and upgrade from 5 - 4? Do you have to prove that you were in 10 mass start races or do they know?
I am not all that concerned but I would like to be able to upgrade when I get more completative in Cat 5 and higher it will be more important... (like next year). This does not apply for 4 - 3 or higher.
Thanks as always.
The upgrade from 5-4 is really simple: 10 mass STARTS. There is nothing in that rule talking about finishing the race. You can upgrade faster if you start winning in those 10 races; but that is up to USAC and your local association.
Yes, you do need to show that you have STARTED ten mass start events. Keep a small resume of your races. You don't need to worry about your placing in those 10 starts. Unfortunately to move up from 4-3 is more complicated. You need to have a certain number of points in a 12 month period (not necessarily a calendar year, but a rolling 12 month period). You also have to have a certain number of top 10 placings to move up to a 3. The program is similar from 3-2, and 2-1; but with more stringent requirements.
You'll do fine. Have fun and stay safe. Practice in the 5s, learn how to ride in a pack at speed, learn how to attack, chase, etc. Once you get your 10 races, upgrade, there is no reason to sandbag. If you're competitive in the 5s, you'll most likely be competitive in the 4s (unless some 3s are sandbagging as 4s, you'll know them pretty quick).
Good Luck.
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I disagree. If you are getting dropped you should probably stay in 5's till your strong. In fact stay in 5's till you make the podium or at least several top 10 positins.
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Funny thing is that many of the races around here are Cat 4 and 5 together, which is interesting (sure makes it hard on the cat 5 guys).
This season is to learn and get better... next season we will see...
My worry is when I am ready to go up I will have to knock in a few races before I do...
This season is to learn and get better... next season we will see...
My worry is when I am ready to go up I will have to knock in a few races before I do...
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That's my advice too. Until you can hang in the 5s, don't worry about trying to upgrade, you'll only get your ass handed to you more often then in your current category.
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Originally Posted by bigdraft
That's my advice too. Until you can hang in the 5s, don't worry about trying to upgrade, you'll only get your ass handed to you more often then in your current category.
The jump from 5 to 4 isn't all that big...the jump from 4 to 3 is bigger and so on.
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Just curious, how does one go about not moving up after completng 10 mass start events? Can you request to remain a 5 for another 10 races or something?
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It looks like USCF does not rate races where you do not place in the top 20 or so. I think you have to request an upgrade at the beginning of the season by showing 10 race starts.
In SoCal like I said Cat 5 and 4 likely race together in crits. For RR there is not a huge difference in milage either, like an extra lap in a circuit, etc.
In SoCal like I said Cat 5 and 4 likely race together in crits. For RR there is not a huge difference in milage either, like an extra lap in a circuit, etc.
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Originally Posted by my58vw
In SoCal like I said Cat 5 and 4 likely race together in crits. For RR there is not a huge difference in milage either, like an extra lap in a circuit, etc.
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If you can avoid it, don't move up until you win one. Learning to win takes time. If you move up too fast, you may never ever win a race. I have some friends that Pride them selves on yo yo ing at the back in the Pro 1/2 races. What fun is that, you're just out there surviving. They should have stayed 3 and won a few races...
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Originally Posted by my58vw
Funny thing is that many of the races around here are Cat 4 and 5 together, which is interesting (sure makes it hard on the cat 5 guys).
All that said, there is no requirement to finish the race, so crits... where you get booted, count. There is some value to getting experience with mass finishes... a major source of crashes. If you aren't in a position to contest for a placing, just ride in a watch the finish. Lots of wrecks are caused by people who want to improve their placing from, say, 27th to 23rd.
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Originally Posted by pearcem
i have a question. i am a cat 5 and a junior. do my junior's races go twards the 10 mass starts to go from 5 to 4?
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Originally Posted by jfmckenna
I disagree. If you are getting dropped you should probably stay in 5's till your strong. In fact stay in 5's till you make the podium or at least several top 10 positins.
I didn't say he had to finish well, just START. If my opinion was asked, then I would say the same as you.
He asked a technical question, and as an official I answered it that way.
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Originally Posted by ZackJones
Just curious, how does one go about not moving up after completng 10 mass start events? Can you request to remain a 5 for another 10 races or something?
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Originally Posted by pearcem
i have a question. i am a cat 5 and a junior. do my junior's races go twards the 10 mass starts to go from 5 to 4?
It may be possible for you to race a Cat 4 Jr race; where you have to be both. It's done in the Masters (old farts) categories in the larger population areas of the country.
PM me if you have more questions. You ask interesting questions, and they sometimes need more info than can be given easily in this manner.
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thanks for the answer, that's good to know. since the junior races are so short, i am going to try to double up a few times in the later part of the season, once i am a little stronger rider. I have done 5 cat 5 races, and i have been fairly competitive in all of them. i have stayed with the group in all of them but one where i was stuck behind a crash, and i managed to get 2 top 20 finishes and a 3rd place. I guess i wanted to know because i have felt a little nervous in the cat 5's. i know they are usually pretty scetchy, but i have almost been tangled up in nasty crashes every time, including one that took down a buddy of mine. I was hoping that i could maybe move from 5 to 4 in juniors where the fields are smaller. Oh well, i guess i'll just have to stay up front