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    Quote Originally Posted by ShutUpLegs View Post
    Sagan should have won todays stage, but looks like another tactic mistake. Should have waited instead of responding to GvA.

    On another note, what the crap was BMC doing attacking and drilling it on the front while Tejay is off the back gutting himself to catch back on?!?!?
    He seems to have quite a few of those. If the sprinters aren't around, he tries to ride everyone off his wheel with 5k to go. A lot of these guys are good enough to just sit on his wheel and that's what they do. Then he fizzles out and doesn't have enough pop for the sprint.

    He's strong enough to hang around on the hillier stages and strong enough to hang around the sprints, but not sure if he's strong enough to take on the specialists in those disciplines on a regular basis. He'll grab the green jersey, but doubtful he'll get more than one stage win.
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    Very true. Would like to see him get a stage win, but that seemed like a prime opportunity missed. I really thought he would have attacked on the last climb and with his descending open up a little extra gap and try to hold on. But to go with GvA, then back off and expect to have enough to beat those who sat in? I've watched him do it many times, cover the attack, get swallowed, not enough to finish 1st. Let others do the work. Easy for me to say sitting at a computer, but really like Sagan and hoping he pulls one off.
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    talansky totally at fault.. he should be embarrassed!

    re: Sagan i don't see why he "should" have won; nothing is set in stone, it's bike racing.
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    Froome Dog just tweeted - broken L wrist/broken R hand.

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    Sagan has been the fastest racer at the end of two stages, fastest by good measure. Just like Kittel has been winning his stages, Sagan should have won at least one of the two stages he was fastest in, he is a pro and its his job to finish. He is more sprinter than opportunist, so judging the Nibali situation was hard on stage 2, but I think the stage 2 race was on his mind and he tried too hard early and then tried to rest too much assuming he didn't have enough left to sprint early. Sprinting on a stage like today requires a longer sprint because it is the tour and a hard stage with no other sprinters left, he burned an early match and either didn't have it or waited too long assuming the sprint would come to him. I personally just think he waited too long to start, his position at 300 meters was perfect.

    While I agree it is bike racing and anyone can win on any day, when it comes to more select groups and you are the only sprinter left, you should be winning the stage.

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    Gerrans might not have liked to not be called a sprinter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattm View Post
    talansky totally at fault.. he should be embarrassed!
    My gripe is why was Talansky even contesting the sprint. He was safely going to finish with the same time as all the other GC guys. He just wasn't paying attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShutUpLegs View Post
    My gripe is why was Talansky even contesting the sprint.
    Because bike racing. C'mon. Why did Froome take 6th on stage 1?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShutUpLegs View Post
    My gripe is why was Talansky even contesting the sprint. He was safely going to finish with the same time as all the other GC guys. He just wasn't paying attention.
    pure garmin style basically - unrealistic expectations based on hope..
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    Somewhere on page 3, someone said Wiggo had a lame spring. WTF??? Whatev's

    Talansky should be the one apologizing to Gerran's, not the other way around. "Amateur hour" in front of millions. Doh!

    The fly on the wall in the BMC dining room will have a good chuckle this evening.

    Sagan's form is just too good. Seriously. Form like that is double-edged. It makes you want to start hitting out way before the sprint, even if you could win in the last 200 meters with one leg broken.

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    Froome and Talansky sprinting I am sure was in part due to safety and like grolby said...who doesn't want a stage win.


    Sure Sagan has had a few tactical errors but the man is having an incredible year!! I have the utmost respect for the guy. It would be interesting to see him go for the GC one day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grolby View Post
    Because bike racing. C'mon. Why did Froome take 6th on stage 1?
    re: Froome, apparently your placing dictates car position in the caravan and Sky wanted a car up as high as possible with stage 2 being a bit more challenging. Froome happened to be there and tried to get their car a good spot.

    re: Talansky is a bulldog/pitbull/rotweiler/or whatever dog they're calling him and as such didn't want to let the challenge go untestested? Dunno as I haven't seen the stage yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YMCA View Post
    The fly on the wall in the BMC dining room will have a good chuckle this evening.
    In their defense they did lock down 6th and 10th on the stage. That's huge. And it's not like they had guys attacking the field while their GC leader was trying to get back on.

    CBS has decided Jurgen Van Den Broeck is not a contender, leaving him off of the GC contender graphic today. I mean it's not like he finished 4th twice and is only 1:45 down.

    Pee & Pee are watching the 2012 video tape half the time, near as I can tell.

    CVV's gushing over how terrific Sagan was today confirms the rumor he was running Romney's campaign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thechemist View Post
    see him go for the GC one day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hack View Post
    re: Froome, apparently your placing dictates car position in the caravan and Sky wanted a car up as high as possible with stage 2 being a bit more challenging. Froome happened to be there and tried to get their car a good spot.
    Sky puts a lot of effort into their message that everything that happens is All Part of the Grand Design and that they have that much mastery of tactics and minutia - oh, and Marginal Gains (TM) - but seriously, you believe that? Froome was up there, he had the bit in his teeth, that's all there is to it. Same for Talansky, who has shown in the past that he's no slouch in a small group sprint. As it happened, though, he actually seemed to be sitting up to get out of the way, but chose a seriously poor moment to look to his right. I haven't seen an overhead shot, but it looked to be a combination of a slight drift by Talansky while looking the wrong way, plus a fairly significant sweep by someone else (Gerrans, apparently?) as he came around. Didn't seem to be entirely the fault of one rider or another, though if you're going to lay the blame on something Talansky did, it was looking the wrong way, not a very predictable drift to his left. But finding himself in the group sprinting for the win is a ridiculous thing to criticize, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grolby View Post
    Sky puts a lot of effort into their message that everything that happens is All Part of the Grand Design and that they have that much mastery of tactics and minutia - oh, and Marginal Gains (TM) - but seriously, you believe that? Froome was up there, he had the bit in his teeth, that's all there is to it.

    Are you suggeting something Sky did wasn't by chance? Not buying it In all liklihood, Froome was prob just up front hoping to stay safe with it being a sprint finish and he was on the right (correct) side of the road and was able to sneak up several spots when others had to brake for the crash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    CVV's gushing over how terrific Sagan was today confirms the rumor he was running Romney's campaign.
    I LOL'd, literally. Secondo asked me what was so funny.
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    Just caught up on today.

    UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. WTF TALANSKY!!!! Stupid stupid stupid move. He doesn't look to be seriously injured, but he looks to have the form for a top 5 this year, and I hope he didn't just knock it out of him! Get the F out of the way bro!!!
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    The "flat" part of this stage isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creatre View Post
    Just caught up on today.

    UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. WTF TALANSKY!!!! Stupid stupid stupid move. He doesn't look to be seriously injured, but he looks to have the form for a top 5 this year, and I hope he didn't just knock it out of him! Get the F out of the way bro!!!
    he sounded a lot less blamey today at least. guess he and gerrans spoke and chalked it up to "that's racing".
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    btw loved nibali's smirk while sitting on contador's wheel on the final ascent today.

    he looks strong but i doubt he can hold on to yellow the whole rest of the race...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattm View Post
    lolwut
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    Really impressed with nibali. It's been a great tour so far.

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    Q. Who is the strongest rider in the Tour?
    A. Tony Martin


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    GER 1 MARTIN, Tony (OMEGA PHARMA - QUICK-STEP) 4:09:34
    SUI 2 CANCELLARA, Fabian (TREK FACTORY RACING) + 2:45
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    That was pretty impressive. Reminded me of his long range attack last year at the Vuelta.

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