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Old 07-20-14, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by furiousferret
Stupid question, and I've always wondered why this isn't done, but why didn't Garmin have guys take pulls and slow down the pack? Its only going to buy a few seconds but that's all he needed.
pros generally don't do explicit blocking like that, at least from what I can tell.

they could still do it of course, but wouldn't make them very popular in the peloton.
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Old 07-20-14, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by YMCA
I think TM was trying to leadout the bunch, but guys kept opening gaps!
the first time yeah. but in the last km or so I think he went for the w..
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Originally Posted by furiousferret
Stupid question, and I've always wondered why this isn't done, but why didn't Garmin have guys take pulls and slow down the pack? Its only going to buy a few seconds but that's all he needed.
when they were closing in the final Ks the peloton was like 6 wide at the front with 2-3 different tip-of-the-spear guys. Would be tough to do, also guys would headbutt and crash them out, probably. I think there's just an unspoken "we don't do that" agreement.
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Old 07-20-14, 07:26 PM
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also awesome today was when nibali shut down the bmc crosswind party just by showing up.

i wonder if he even had to say anything or if his mere presence was enough?
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Originally Posted by Ygduf
probably. I think there's just an unspoken "we don't do that" agreement.
You are correct, pros let other trains do their thing; most of the time.

If my team is lined up and some knucklehead tries to infiltrate our set-up, he's prob going to get an earful, or a solid shoulder. But if our train is in shambles, then all's fair in love and war.
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rest day mini thread hijack - I dont follow the domestic ranks very closely. but are there any young americans that might make a jump to a higher level next year. Craddock, Chad Haga, Nathan Brown (or was that the year before) oh and Phil Gaimon were new this year, maybe others that i cant recall
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These two have been looking really good this year and could potentially move up to world tour: Joey Rosskopf and Travis Mccabe
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Old 07-21-14, 11:35 AM
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SmartStop got invited to the usa pro challenge, so they're getting there!

although I would think Marcotte(?) the new natl champ, has a better shot.

then again kicking ass in the US means little once you go to Europe.
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Originally Posted by mattm
SmartStop got invited to the usa pro challenge, so they're getting there!

although I would think Marcotte(?) the new natl champ, has a better shot.

then again kicking ass in the US means little once you go to Europe.
Marcotte is old, 34, and works full time. He'll never go to Europe. And I think he's fine with that.
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if you're 34 years old, don't go to Europe
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Marcotte is old, 34, and works full time. He'll never go to Europe. And I think he's fine with that.
hmm good point - nonetheless though his recent results at Cascade were better than McCabe's.
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He was talking about going to worlds
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Did you hear the announcer yesterday say that they were going 44mph on the flats? I think it may have been during the windy section with BMC up at the front. I wonder if there was a serious tailwind, because I think usually they don't really go above 32mph or so on the flats unless they are in the last few miles and chasing down the break.
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Originally Posted by mattm
hmm good point - nonetheless though his recent results at Cascade were better than McCabe's.
So we don't really have any up and coming american's
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not even for vacation.
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if you're american, don't go to Europe.

unless you want to be part of the Garmin failboat!
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Originally Posted by mattm
if you're american, don't go to Europe.

unless you want to be part of the Garmin failboat!
That wasn't the case in 1944.
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Originally Posted by mattm
hmm good point - nonetheless though his recent results at Cascade were better than McCabe's.
McCabe has had just as good of a season as Marcotte, if not better. And he's much younger and has potential in stage racing. Even at Cascade he had a stage win and won the KOM jersey. Not shabby I'd said. He finished second at Nats, only because Marcotte led him out too good and got the jersey himself.
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Originally Posted by lsberrios1
That wasn't the case in 1944.
IIRC when we pulled our boats up they shot at us.
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hmmmph. now there's a direction i didnt see this thread going.
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Originally Posted by Ygduf
IIRC when we pulled our boats up they shot at us.
But we shot 'em back... harder. Anyways, back to tricycles.
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Too much talk in the media about TJ killing it in the time trial and landing on the podium. I'm rooting for him for sure, but lets not jinx him with 3 hard mountain stages and the TT to get through!
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Originally Posted by Gramercy
Did you hear the announcer yesterday say that they were going 44mph on the flats? I think it may have been during the windy section with BMC up at the front. I wonder if there was a serious tailwind, because I think usually they don't really go above 32mph or so on the flats unless they are in the last few miles and chasing down the break.
Phil also had them at 50 on the flats one day. He's a ****ing idiot.
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Originally Posted by lsberrios1
That wasn't the case in 1944.
lol, no disrespect to veterans, but seriously, talk about an attempt at national glorification that falls flat.

"Once, 3 generations ago, Americans made a worthwhile contribution!"
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Originally Posted by cmh
Too much talk in the media about TJ killing it in the time trial and landing on the podium. I'm rooting for him for sure, but lets not jinx him with 3 hard mountain stages and the TT to get through!
and the up coming climbs are shorter punchier climbs which might not suit him as well. You'd think Peraud would attack as much as possible so everyone has to chase and Bardet can follow. all this for places other than first. #gcguysneedtostopcrashing

also does the national RR champ get to go to worlds automatically or is that up someone in charge? It would be pretty awesome if Marcotte got a chance to ride it.

also if you're an American and are thinking about going to Europe I highly recommend Positano, Italy (or anywhere on the Amalfi Coast) and Bruges, Belgium #whatismattmsbeefwithgarmin. also the Normandy coast is quite beautiful and a short day trip from Paris #remember1944
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