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Old 07-21-14, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by cmh
Too much talk in the media about TJ killing it in the time trial and landing on the podium. I'm rooting for him for sure, but lets not jinx him with 3 hard mountain stages and the TT to get through!
He seems very different, very confident this year, even just from interviews. He also appears to be way stronger than the guys in 2-6, he just can't tactically race worth a ****. I think he'll be okay as long as that sickness gets better not worse.
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he just can't tactically race worth a ****.
It looks like he is learning, but he's usually isolated somewhat early and tries to force the selections. It also may be a case of the french/spanish working together a bit even on separate teams.
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Originally Posted by Gramercy
Did you hear the announcer yesterday say that they were going 44mph on the flats? I think it may have been during the windy section with BMC up at the front. I wonder if there was a serious tailwind, because I think usually they don't really go above 32mph or so on the flats unless they are in the last few miles and chasing down the break.
ProTour riders @ 44mph on a pan flat road with a strong tailwind is very possible and of course, extremely likely if it was a slight downgrade.

I've been in numerous races and training rides on very long flat roads where we were doing 38-40mph and watching ppl explode from not being able to turn the cranks fast enough. And we're just a bunch of lowly cat1-2's. Droppage had nothing to do with gearing btw, only their lack of leg speed.

And gsteinb is correct, Phil and Paul exaggerate numbers constantly, but heck, they're just luring the noobs. No big deal I guess if we want growth.
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They actually averaged 44kph+ over the whole race. I'm betting on Phil just forgetting units.

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Originally Posted by Grumpy McTrumpy
They actually averaged 44kph+ over the whole race. I'm betting on Phil just forgetting units.
Him being an ass hat is a far safer bet.

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Originally Posted by Creatre
He seems very different, very confident this year, even just from interviews. He also appears to be way stronger than the guys in 2-6, he just can't tactically race worth a ****. I think he'll be okay as long as that sickness gets better not worse.
I think TVG's main tactical weakness is a tendency to go out too hard, too early. That's what cost him the Alpe d'Huez stage last year. And there have been a few time trials where he put down a blazing fast time at the first time check and then faded badly in the second half. But he seems to be getting that more under control, too. There's no question that he's just not a particularly gifted rider, tactically, but the Tour podium doesn't require tactical genius.

Comparing the two big American GC riders right now, TVG and Talansky, I would give TVG the advantage in terms of raw physical talent and Talansky the edge as a pure bike racer. There's a lot of talk about how Talansky owes so much to grit or determination, and I guess that true, but it kind of annoys me. I think it's strange how little attention is given in most of the mainstream analysis of the sport, in English anyway, to the importance of smart racing. I think Talansky's gift is at least as much that he's just a badass bike racer with very good instincts as it is willpower or determination or whatever. I'm not on board with mattm's Garmin "failboat" at all. Thank goodness there's a team that goes out there and races their damn bikes, and is getting behind a GC leader who does the same thing.
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I never heard of Jimmy Fallon.

At least they used the TdF as a topic.
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The high point of each day has been watching Frankie Andreu's analysis of these stages.

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Old 07-22-14, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by grolby

Comparing the two big American GC riders right now
lol we have those?!!
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The best part of the race is the contest between the two young French racers for the "small box" and white jersey.
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Whelp. Way to blow it TJ. At least we know he's clean. Otherwise he just sucks. But he always has a bad day, and his bad day = completely blow up day.
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The day after a rest days always gets someone.
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Originally Posted by mattm
lol we have those?!!
dood, that's harsh.
TVG and AT have "won" stage races against top competitors and placed very well at GT's. And they're still quite young.
Most countries would be ecstatic to have that.
Now if Phinney can recover and be our go-to Classics guy!
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Originally Posted by rankin116
The day after a rest days always gets someone.
How do these guys not know what to do after all these decades of ppl making the same mistake? It's pretty damn simple.
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isn't that tj guy from canada?
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****'s going down already in today's stage. Gonna be a good one.
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Old 07-23-14, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
isn't that tj guy from canada?
who knows, some say his birth certificate is fake. I heard he's really from Kenya.
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