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Old 03-04-15, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by tetonrider
i can't speak for most, but this guy won it in 2013 and is currently leading and could NOT win a road race in the lower 48 that is under 9 hours.

i don't know if you are talking about the winners being at the pointy end of road races in AK, or generally speaking. lots of fat bikers around here and the winter riding seems to translate more to the MTB in the summer than to the road (vs the trainer).
Essentially 2 different races. Most of the roadies do the 350 and non-endurance MTB types to McGrath and skip the 1000. From my relatively warm perch on my trainer, even that looks too far.
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Originally Posted by Alaska Mike
Essentially 2 different races. Most of the roadies do the 350 and non-endurance MTB types to McGrath and skip the 1000. From my relatively warm perch on my trainer, even that looks too far.
is the 350 a separate "thing" or are they just dropping out after stage 1?

i think either (even 350 miles) qualifies as an "endurance event" for slow-twitchers. the 350 record is 42 hours. pretty different skill set vs most RRs, i'd bet.

granted, the guys who do the full thing strap all this stuff to their bike and still call it "fast" riding. fatbiking events around here involve a ton of walking/pushing a bike.

any time a sleeping bag is strapped to a bike is when it becomes "adventure racing" and not so much bike racing (to me).
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Originally Posted by tetonrider
i think there's a "completitor" (not a typo) that exists these days. a 20h ironman is harder than a 15-minute 5k. (it's not.)

i think something is lost when the goal changes from competing (in any form) to completion.
Thats where road racing is headed. Grand fondos. Gravel races. The numbers dwarf bike racing and compare well to long distance triathlon.
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“Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers."
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Same route, same time, different pacing. The 1000 racers aren't racing the 350 racers, because to do so would blow them up. Essentially a completely different race.

We don't run USAC road races up here for the most part, and the series that occur in Anchorage and Fairbanks have the same faces year after year. Going to the Lower 48 to race and get upgrades is a multi-thousand dollar investment, which most don't feel like doing. Some mix a lot of MTB racing in for a new challenge, some get into triathlons, and a lot go fatbiking. Hammering away in a fatbike race in January and February rarely disqualifies you from competing well in road races in June and July. A lot of guys have found it helps them.

And to me, riding 20MPH across glare ice while not pedaling and feathering the brakes (serious tailwind) is plenty fast. YMMV.
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Originally Posted by Ygduf
“Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers."
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I know a guy who has won Ride the Divide multiple times. He is still quite fast on a road bike.
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I rode two hours today with temps in the mid-70s. I have a 3:30 ride planned for tomorrow; temps will be in the low 30s with a 15 mph north wind. Wish the damned weather would make up its mind.
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Originally Posted by tetonrider
i think there's a "completitor" (not a typo) that exists these days. a 20h ironman is harder than a 15-minute 5k. (it's not.)

i think something is lost when the goal changes from competing (in any form) to completion.
Meh, it all beats sedentarism
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Originally Posted by Wesley36
Meh, it all beats sedentarism

For real. If whatever endurance event inspires some people to get fit and do it, great. The existence of ironman completion medals doesn't devalue the accomplishment of the guy who wins a crit. If you (generic you) are racing crits in order to garner accolades from people who don't know the difference between an ironman and a crit... as the saying goes about trying to teach a pig to sing, it will only frustrate you and annoy the pig.
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I don't know, I find something inherently wrong with the everyone gets a medal culture. Or like how obstacle races have fire pits for the illusion of challenge when in reality it's so the participants can have badass facebook pictures. **** encourages mediocrity, not everyone gets to be a winner.

This isn't to take a dump on people who do it for the fun or actual challenge of it, just a general observation.
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I'm cranky as **** because my ceiling is leaking again and woke me up at 5am...but it's also leaking through the wall which is affecting the other tenants and the store on the bottom floor so the landlord can't ignore it anymore. This is sort of a good thing, but now I'm half thinking the building will fall over.

In any event, I'm going to go beat the **** out of myself for a couple of hours. Intervals calm a dude down.
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Originally Posted by TheKillerPenguin
I don't know, I find something inherently wrong with the everyone gets a medal culture. Or like how obstacle races have fire pits for the illusion of challenge when in reality it's so the participants can have badass facebook pictures. **** encourages mediocrity, not everyone gets to be a winner.

This isn't to take a dump on people who do it for the fun or actual challenge of it, just a general observation.

Racing (losing most of the time) isn't fun to most people. Jumping over a fire a looking cool is. Nobody says they won (maybe there are people who do try to win in the front) a tough mudder, but people like to say they completed one. It's a fundamentally different thing, and people prefer different things.
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Originally Posted by shovelhd
Thats where road racing is headed. Grand fondos. Gravel races. The numbers dwarf bike racing and compare well to long distance triathlon.
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you mean like this?
you get orange slices after you finish...but it seems like it would be fun to do
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Originally Posted by island rider
So, I'm on Zwift now, along with apparently everyone I know who rides a bike regularly. It certainly seems to make the trainer time go faster, but I'm still not sure exactly its utility in my trainer training. I'm doing workouts that have nothing to do with the profile of the island, its zones, or anything else. Riding with other friends is interesting, but not practical unless you are doing the same workout at the same "speed" or are looking to effectively JRA with them online. I suppose it's fun to see how many times the local stud can lap me. Mostly its something to watch besides TV and movies.

It might be interesting if you could develop it to run in training mode and game mode. Training mode would equalize the power output for you and your riding partners, allowing your Z3 to yield the same speed as theirs at a higher or lower wattage. Game mode would let people go by comparative power, as they currently do.
Me too. I am quite enjoying it. I believe workout modes are coming. However, I'm guessing they won't be here until I'm already riding outside for the most part. Though I have ditched some of the structured stuff to go play on Zwift I have been able to manage getting some semi structured intervals in there and I have to admit, probably going harder than I would have in my interval sessions. And maybe that hasn't been too bad for me this winter. Especially considering my training hours aren't very big. I'm in WAY better shape now than I have been the last two years at this time.

Looking forward to seeing the workout modes when they come. I could see this being a great tool/fun for training/riding in the winter months.
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Originally Posted by globecanvas
What I don't get is how everybody knows what a butt plug looks like. I thought the route looked like Mrs. Butterworth.

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Originally Posted by save10
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you mean like this?
you get orange slices after you finish...but it seems like it would be fun to do
Yes, those sort of races. NY Gravel Grinder, etc.
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Originally Posted by Ygduf
“Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers."
^^^That pretty much describes my day at work so far (middle school teaching).
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
tell someone you finished an ironman and you'll be the hardest man in their eyes until the end of time.
I finished an Ironman! I still think bike racing is harder!
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Originally Posted by that article
Presumably, all of these differences in the young men’s bodies and brains had developed during their few, brief years of divergent workouts, underscoring how rapidly and robustly exercising — or not — can affect health.

More subtly, the findings also point out that genetics and environment “do not have to be” destiny when it comes to exercise habits.
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Originally Posted by rideaz
I finished an Ironman! I still think bike racing is harder!
it's all perspective right. More than 1/50 people will finish the marathon or double century they set out to ride, but only one person can win a race...
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Looks like the months of *****ing about my evo have finally led to an answer.

Warranty replacement.
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Originally Posted by Ygduf
it's all perspective right. More than 1/50 people will finish the marathon or double century they set out to ride, but only one person can win a race...
Well if finishing the race is someone's idea of winning....
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Originally Posted by TheKillerPenguin
I'm cranky as **** because my ceiling is leaking again and woke me up at 5am...but it's also leaking through the wall which is affecting the other tenants and the store on the bottom floor so the landlord can't ignore it anymore. This is sort of a good thing, but now I'm half thinking the building will fall over.

In any event, I'm going to go beat the **** out of myself for a couple of hours. Intervals calm a dude down.
Preaching to the choir. Someone asked me if I wanted to sign up for tough mudder, I politely declined. Then proceeded to rant and how getting a medal for finishing was stupid
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Originally Posted by bmcphx
Looks like the months of *****ing about my evo have finally led to an answer.

Warranty replacement.
What specifically is wrong?
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