globecanvas

Unfortunately you're stuck in your role as the overlords' puppet.

misterwaterfall

I'm new to winning with a team to help so I need some advice. Race went as follows:
2 team mates plus myself.
1 gets into break, I bridge. Third rides 3/4th of race and drops out when we have 9+ minutes on the field and all money is up the road.
Team mate in break and I ride 65 of 75 miles in break doing equal work until it works down to 3 riders. Us 2 and another guy from different team. My team mate leads out the sprint, I take easy win, he gets 3rd. I collect 135 for the win, he gets 35, DNF'd member gets 0 obviously. My question is, how much money do I give each team mate? $20 each? $40? The 3rd place finisher kept his 35 so he already got a few bucks but should at least get a split of mine or something. I likely would have won either way but he put in a solid effort and sacrificed his chance for my win.

grolby

I'm not allergic to tree pollen, thank goodness, but it was a terrible day to ride without glasses yesterday. So much tree detritus in my eyes, it was a lot like having allergies. Ugh.

caloso

Don't discount the possibility that it's both.

grolby

Don't overthink it. Do what seems fair. The easiest thing to do is split three ways, but I don't think you need to do that. I think anyone who is annoyed at only getting $20 is being a primadonna. I never really expect a cut of the payout even if I render clear aid to my teammate. That's just a bonus.

happybday29475

OK! I've put it on my calendar! Thanks for the feedback.

I'll be racing Master's B's, which are 8am ish, so I'm pretty sure that crowds will be non-existent, and guns even scarcer (I hope).

Anybody else?

I've had guns pointed at me 3 times in my life...but those stories belong in a completely different support group...

GC, I presume you mean the Master's A's, otherwise, can I get a leadout brotha?

By the way, anybody that's on course at the crap of dawn, say "hi"...I'm the biggish guy in bright yellow pedaling with one leg sticking out (damned hip).

Wylde06

Ive been checking air fare every half hour and so, and if the return trip will drop with the outgoing staying the same price I will probably book it..

carpediemracing 

I'd consider the "prize money" to be $170, split in two, so $85 each. I'd give $50 to the other guy so he gets half of the total winnings.

If the third guy did contribute then I'd talk it over with the break teammate and maybe comp the 3rd guy's entry out of the two prize moneys, meaning if entry was $30 then you give $35 to the break mate ($50-$15) and give $30 to the 3rd guy.

mattm

Honestly it doesn't seem like enough money to worry about. Buy them a burrito instead of giving them the cash..

When we got 3 guys on a podium recently, the three of us kept our payouts and just split the the team prize.

Everyone else from our team that was in the race (literally like 7 other dudes) had gone home by the time we got the $$, and it didn't seem worth it to give them $10 or whatever. I'll buy @Ygduf a burrito for blocking for my break, no doubt!!

Anyway, I dunno. Best to figure this stuff out before the race rather than after.

mattm

Also, @misterwaterfall, where's the race report?!

Congrats on the win.

Ygduf

If I cared about money I wouldn't enjoy bike racing.

I do care more about credit though, so in that sense I would prefer teams just pool the money and split it equal, all the way around. If someone sucks and you don't want to pay them a share, why are they on the team? This would totally be an issue on our team as we definitely have some dead weight, but we don't split the money so it's never come up.

I can ride across to just about any break. It's basically my only skill. I don't know if the guys up the road consider the work done behind them as "contributing", but they should. There's a reason my 3 best sprinters made it to the break and the rest of us did not. Opening gaps, yelling at our bad-news-bears teammates to quit chasing, and killing chase moves to the point where our peloton of 25 is pulled because we're going to be lapped by a break of 10 that includes at least 2 sprinters who won't work is contributing, imo. I and three other teammates gave up our race to better the results of the team. I don't see it as different than the TTT guys who murder themselves and then DNF when only the top X riders count.

rideaz

I've split primes but never prize money with teammates. I wonder if they're mad about that. It never crossed my mind tbh.

carpediemracing 

One more thing. For me once it gets down to $10 or so it's too little to worry about. I rarely get more than my entry back.

Reminds me I got $45 for my epic 3rd (lol) a week and change ago. I need to see if that needs to be distributed. 2 other teammates, I helped them, I think in a sense one sort of helped me, but I also had a couple BF guys that I wanted to help, blah blah blah. I did all the work for myself in the sprint but the softening up before deserves a mention.

Flatballer

I've always thought it was BS when the police use "acting suspicious" as some sort of reason for a search, or an admission of guilt, or whatever. Every actual interaction I've ever had with police has been freaking scary and I'm sure I acted suspiciously almost immediately.

Just had two Sheriff's deputies bang on my door. They were looking for someone named Demetrius or something. I'd started getting his mail about a month ago, despite the fact that the street is spelled wrong, and the zip code isn't correct. I'm guessing he gave a fake address that just happened to be close to mine. I assume they need to serve a warrant or something. I was immediately freaked out, fumbling for words, even though I have absolutely nothing to hide. It took me probably 10 seconds to remember how long I've lived here. I think they believed me (although, my back motion sensing light just went on, so they might be snooping around the back yard anyway) and hopefully I can stop getting his mail, but that seems unlikely.

They even said "you were still getting his mail a couple weeks ago". Guess they looked through my mail, nice. Probably multiple times, since I don't get his mail every day. If they'd checked the next day they'd have seen it back out there with "not at address" scrawled on it and the flag up.

shovelhd

If I do demonstrable work for a teammate that helps his finish, I expect a split. How much is totally up to them. Whatever they think is fair. I've refused it if I didn't feel it was warranted. Overthinking it is what blows teams apart. Just use common sense.

TMonk

I attended that HS - Rancho Buena Vista HS. We also used to ditch class to smoke weed at that park - the "duck pound" we would call it. I used to hang out with bad kids, but got pretty good grades. There were a couple of us like that in our group.

Anyway, it's too bad that we never met to ride during your SoCal training camps. My parents live just a few miles from there. What time of the year were you in SoCal? I may have been away for college (graduated in 2010).

furiousferret

If a dude works for me and I get a win, he can keep all the money.

Speaking of which, we have a teammate that has points to go to the 3's and told us he's going to stick around to help us out. Not sure I'm totally okay with it because to be honest, I have yet put it all together and I don't want him wasting his time.

Enthalpic

135 + 35 = 170
170/2 = 85
85 - 35 = 50. Give 3rd place dude $50; he established the break, worked and lead you out.

Enthalpic

Police use totally illegal techniques, like following a car around until the driver commits a traffic violation and then pull them over for that. Judges have repeatedly ruled that everyone, regardless of guilt, will eventually commit a traffic violation -especially if stressed by a tailgating police officer.

Check stops for drunk driving are also technically illegal; they shouldn't be able to stop you and ask for your "papers" without just cause.

Flatballer

I read a comment on a story once by a guy with a cop friend. They had a game they'd play. It was called "get probable cause for pulling that car over". He would point to a car at random, and they'd watch it until the cop friend could find something illegal, either about the car, or something they did. It would usually only take a few seconds. There's so many rules that you're almost always breaking at least one of them at any given point.

spectastic

Is this talk about Tulsa tough? Thought about it. Don't think it's worth the drive as I'm not yet a competitive 3. maybe next year.

Visiting mom in ks (FUN.. not really). maybe I'll drop by the course passing through Tulsa on my way back.

misterwaterfall

Cool thanks for the help all. I'll probably give the one helper 40 and the other guy a 20 just to be nice. That'll get me close.

Edonis13

Pre-text stops are a great tool for law enforcement but its generally not as easy as "watch any car for a few seconds." At least not in my experience.

globecanvas

When I've won money with teammates in the race, we always stop on the way home and spend it all on food. More money, more food.

carpediemracing 

That sucks.

I receive kits in the mail for the spring series I promote. The kit company didn't update their mailing address so they shipped it to my old address. I was looking at the tracking number and it said that the package was delivered, but it wasn't at my house. I called the kit company, they told me they shipped to the old address. I drove over there (I think I needed to get the kit that day), rang the bell, and some bewildered woman answered the phone, baby in hand. She gave me the box with all the jerseys. I realized later that this would be a great way to ship illicit goods. You ship it to some random address (at an apartment or something where people move all the time) and you say it was mislabeled, you moved or live where ever etc etc.

The thing is that the actual recipient wouldn't have any idea what was going on. Innocent victim.