Go Back  Bike Forums > The Racer's Forum > "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
Reload this Page >

So are the days of our lives...

Search
Notices
"The 33"-Road Bike Racing We set this forum up for our members to discuss their experiences in either pro or amateur racing, whether they are the big races, or even the small backyard races. Don't forget to update all the members with your own race results.

So are the days of our lives...

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 05-28-15, 04:16 PM
  #9051  
Senior Member
 
shovelhd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Western MA
Posts: 15,669

Bikes: Yes

Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Doge
I would think the Cat 4,5 racer would get local support as they don't race nationally. The Cat 3 racer that races Nationally gets regional support. If the sport is too expensive they can easily make it less expensive. Cat 4, 5 - only mass start bikes allowed - no TT bikes. Only medal rims (this is done in some places).
I'm not talking about subsidies. I'm talking about training clinics, mentoring programs, technology for officials, a meaningful rating and ranking system. Things that help all racers not just the chosen few. There is so much need for improvement but the majority of the money doesn't go there.
shovelhd is offline  
Old 05-28-15, 04:27 PM
  #9052  
Senior Member
 
Doge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Southern California, USA
Posts: 10,474

Bikes: 1979 Raleigh Team 753

Mentioned: 153 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3374 Post(s)
Liked 371 Times in 253 Posts
Oh, well I doubt anyone is getting that from USAC. Do you know of any?
Doge is offline  
Old 05-28-15, 06:54 PM
  #9053  
Senior Member
 
shovelhd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Western MA
Posts: 15,669

Bikes: Yes

Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
woosh
shovelhd is offline  
Old 05-29-15, 04:09 AM
  #9054  
out walking the earth
Thread Starter
 
gsteinb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Lake Placid, NY
Posts: 21,441
Mentioned: 71 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 912 Post(s)
Liked 752 Times in 342 Posts
Originally Posted by Doge
It dilutes focus about what cycling is and the management focus.
Last check all those sports occurred on bicycles so I'm not entirely sure how you're redefining cycling to exclude them. As to dilution of funds and focus, I'm sure the BMX and Cross dads say the same thing. Your sense of entitlement hurts my teeth. FFS mountain biking and cross are poised to set road up as a cross-training activity.
gsteinb is offline  
Old 05-29-15, 05:28 AM
  #9055  
Senior Member
 
shovelhd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Western MA
Posts: 15,669

Bikes: Yes

Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I don't know about MTB, it seems to have taken a bit of a dive out here recently. Cross we all know about, same with fondos. I think the sleeper is gravel. There's talk about it at USAC HQ, we shall see.
shovelhd is offline  
Old 05-29-15, 05:38 AM
  #9056  
Ninny
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: The Gunks
Posts: 5,295
Mentioned: 53 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 686 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by Doge
Oh, well I doubt anyone is getting that from USAC. Do you know of any?

I think that's shovelhd's point, that currently the organization is focused on developing particular racers, rather than developing infrastructure that supports every racer.
globecanvas is offline  
Old 05-29-15, 06:05 AM
  #9057  
out walking the earth
Thread Starter
 
gsteinb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Lake Placid, NY
Posts: 21,441
Mentioned: 71 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 912 Post(s)
Liked 752 Times in 342 Posts
need a name change STAT.

USAC isn't going to cut it. These guys are coming

gsteinb is offline  
Old 05-29-15, 06:15 AM
  #9058  
Ninny
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: The Gunks
Posts: 5,295
Mentioned: 53 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 686 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
I wonder what those brake levers do. One brake lever would be good for dumping you on your face. Maybe the second one is for deploying the air bag?



(kudos to whoever photoshopped that, though)
globecanvas is offline  
Old 05-29-15, 07:31 AM
  #9059  
Senior Member
 
mike868y's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 9,284
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 248 Post(s)
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by shovelhd
I don't know about MTB, it seems to have taken a bit of a dive out here recently. Cross we all know about, same with fondos. I think the sleeper is gravel. There's talk about it at USAC HQ, we shall see.
idk what the numbers are saying but recently (past two years) MTB seems to be getting a lot of attention from former "roadies"

also...I want a dirt/gravel road stage race.
mike868y is offline  
Old 05-29-15, 08:42 AM
  #9060  
Senior Member
 
wens's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Northeast Ohio
Posts: 3,215
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
For the sake of argument, and because I know something about it, breaststroke almost might as well be a different sport than the other strokes, at least as different as road and cross. And usa swimming has pool and open water, and those are far more different than they appear at first glance.

I have serious issues with how usac does development, but those issues mainly consist of not pulling in hs/middle school kids through already existing infrastructure.
wens is offline  
Old 05-29-15, 09:00 AM
  #9061  
Senior Member
 
grolby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: BOSTON BABY
Posts: 9,788
Mentioned: 27 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 288 Post(s)
Liked 86 Times in 60 Posts
Originally Posted by mike868y
idk what the numbers are saying but recently (past two years) MTB seems to be getting a lot of attention from former "roadies"

also...I want a dirt/gravel road stage race.
It's about the capsule you're in. Mountain biking was HUGE in the early-mid 90's, then crashed hard. It may or may not be coming back among road racers who are looking for new competitive spheres *cough* but I'm not so sure that it's ready to make road racing a cross-training activity. But as it continues to be very difficult to organize a road race in many places, off-road racing might have an opportunity there... not that it's necessarily easy to get a cross race up and running, either, but not needing to close roads certainly helps.
grolby is offline  
Old 05-29-15, 09:01 AM
  #9062  
Senior Member
 
Doge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Southern California, USA
Posts: 10,474

Bikes: 1979 Raleigh Team 753

Mentioned: 153 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3374 Post(s)
Liked 371 Times in 253 Posts
Originally Posted by shovelhd
... I think the sleeper is gravel. There's talk about it at USAC HQ, we shall see.
More equipment to buy when they put it in the RR. Less if they separate it.
Doge is offline  
Old 05-29-15, 09:07 AM
  #9063  
Senior Member
 
Doge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Southern California, USA
Posts: 10,474

Bikes: 1979 Raleigh Team 753

Mentioned: 153 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3374 Post(s)
Liked 371 Times in 253 Posts
Originally Posted by wens
For the sake of argument, and because I know something about it, breaststroke almost might as well be a different sport than the other strokes, at least as different as road and cross. And usa swimming has pool and open water, and those are far more different than they appear at first glance.

I have serious issues with how usac does development, but those issues mainly consist of not pulling in hs/middle school kids through already existing infrastructure.
If cycling became an NCAA sport everything would change - unlikely that will happen. Most HS kids follow the scholarship sports. The sports I listed at my kids school are not those.
Doge is offline  
Old 05-29-15, 09:48 AM
  #9064  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Tariffville, CT
Posts: 15,405

Bikes: Tsunami road bikes, Dolan DF4 track

Mentioned: 36 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 385 Post(s)
Liked 180 Times in 102 Posts
One drug test result away from being much more busy.
__________________
"...during the Lance years, being fit became the No. 1 thing. Totally the only thing. It’s a big part of what we do, but fitness is not the only thing. There’s skills, there’s tactics … there’s all kinds of stuff..." Tim Johnson
carpediemracing is offline  
Old 05-29-15, 09:52 AM
  #9065  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Tariffville, CT
Posts: 15,405

Bikes: Tsunami road bikes, Dolan DF4 track

Mentioned: 36 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 385 Post(s)
Liked 180 Times in 102 Posts
In CT there's a minimum number of schools that need to participate in a sport for the sport to become a scholastic thing that gets some state money. I think that with CCAP busy recruiting high schools it's got to be over the cusp. I heard from someone that tried to do it before that it's 6 high schools for a sport to become state-supported. They have to have more than that. There's the "schools interested in it enough to sign up in some formal way" and "schools with a team". I think the numbers are about 50-80 and 5-10 respectively, based on their Facebook posts. 160 or so schools in CT.
__________________
"...during the Lance years, being fit became the No. 1 thing. Totally the only thing. It’s a big part of what we do, but fitness is not the only thing. There’s skills, there’s tactics … there’s all kinds of stuff..." Tim Johnson
carpediemracing is offline  
Old 05-29-15, 09:54 AM
  #9066  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Boulder, CO
Posts: 8,546
Mentioned: 83 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 163 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by carpediemracing
One drug test result away from being much more busy.
Congratulations!
valygrl is offline  
Old 05-29-15, 09:59 AM
  #9067  
Nonsense
 
TheKillerPenguin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Vagabond
Posts: 13,918

Bikes: Affirmative

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 880 Post(s)
Liked 541 Times in 237 Posts
Originally Posted by carpediemracing
One drug test result away from being much more busy.
What's the gig?
TheKillerPenguin is offline  
Old 05-29-15, 10:22 AM
  #9068  
Nonsense
 
TheKillerPenguin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Vagabond
Posts: 13,918

Bikes: Affirmative

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 880 Post(s)
Liked 541 Times in 237 Posts
Have you all watched Kung Fury yet? You should watch Kung Fury. It might as well be alternatively named "I am the Internet and so Can You"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS5P_LAqiVg

Between this and the new Mad Max I'm basically a gallon jug filled with 5 gallons of testosterone.
TheKillerPenguin is offline  
Old 05-29-15, 11:17 AM
  #9069  
Senior Member
 
himespau's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 13,444
Mentioned: 33 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4232 Post(s)
Liked 2,947 Times in 1,806 Posts
Originally Posted by TheKillerPenguin
Have you all watched Kung Fury yet? You should watch Kung Fury. It might as well be alternatively named "I am the Internet and so Can You"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS5P_LAqiVg

Between this and the new Mad Max I'm basically a gallon jug filled with 5 gallons of testosterone.
Dude, what the **** was that? My mind is blown.
__________________
Bikes: 1996 Eddy Merckx Titanium EX, 1989/90 Colnago Super(issimo?) Piu(?), 1990 Concorde Aquila(hit by car while riding), others in build queue "when I get the time"





himespau is offline  
Old 05-29-15, 11:42 AM
  #9070  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: ?
Posts: 2,300

Bikes: i may have bike(s)

Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 46 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by himespau
Dude, what the **** was that? My mind is blown.
Lol, Kung Fury is pretty funny.
beatlebee is offline  
Old 05-29-15, 01:04 PM
  #9071  
Senior Member
 
topflightpro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 7,569
Mentioned: 54 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1851 Post(s)
Liked 678 Times in 429 Posts
Originally Posted by TheKillerPenguin
Have you all watched Kung Fury yet? You should watch Kung Fury. It might as well be alternatively named "I am the Internet and so Can You"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS5P_LAqiVg

Between this and the new Mad Max I'm basically a gallon jug filled with 5 gallons of testosterone.
That was awesome. I watched the whole thing in my office with the door shut.
topflightpro is offline  
Old 05-29-15, 01:29 PM
  #9072  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Tariffville, CT
Posts: 15,405

Bikes: Tsunami road bikes, Dolan DF4 track

Mentioned: 36 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 385 Post(s)
Liked 180 Times in 102 Posts
Originally Posted by TheKillerPenguin
What's the gig?
(New) car sales.

I want to sell cars, for real. I finally have some leeway (time/support) to see if I can actually do it. It's weird, I feel a bit embarrassed talking about the job because of all the stereotypes about it, but I'm really looking forward to starting work. I'm voluntarily giving up every Tues Night race and my Saturdays and I feel fine about it. I have to wear slacks, a tie, and maybe a jacket. I don't mind that, actually like it, but it's a culture change for me as I last wore business attire regularly in 2002-ish. I only have one suit set (interviews/weddings/funeral) so I need to buy some clothes. And yet I'm looking forward to starting. Nutty.

Figuring my drug test sample doesn't get tampered with, and Sudafed isn't on the list, I start June 17. They are good with me taking time off to go to Worlds in Sept (we're going for a week).

I'll keep going with the Aetna Nutmeg Spring Series, I just have to make it at least break even. I hope to cross-promote and all that.

Realistically I'm going to stop doing the extra event services work due to time constraints. I'll do the ones for this year but drop the more time consuming ones. That stuff is all profit, like the June 6 (Pie Ride) and June 14 (White Plains Crit) events will pay for about 1/4? of the shortfall of the Series, and one of the main reasons I don't want to start until June 17. Carpe Diem Racing will be significantly short for the year and the IRS doesn't like it when a business loses money all the time because then it becomes a hobby. I'll do two events not my own going forward - Tokeneke RR (because I can drive up in 30 minutes and I'm done when I leave the venue, no results or anything) and the club's Silk City Cross Race (close, lots of support from club, I do upload results though).
__________________
"...during the Lance years, being fit became the No. 1 thing. Totally the only thing. It’s a big part of what we do, but fitness is not the only thing. There’s skills, there’s tactics … there’s all kinds of stuff..." Tim Johnson
carpediemracing is offline  
Old 05-29-15, 02:30 PM
  #9073  
fuggitivo solitario
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Northern NJ
Posts: 9,107
Mentioned: 32 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 243 Post(s)
Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts
Originally Posted by carpediemracing
(New) car sales.

I want to sell cars, for real. I finally have some leeway (time/support) to see if I can actually do it. It's weird, I feel a bit embarrassed talking about the job because of all the stereotypes about it, but I'm really looking forward to starting work. I'm voluntarily giving up every Tues Night race and my Saturdays and I feel fine about it. I have to wear slacks, a tie, and maybe a jacket. I don't mind that, actually like it, but it's a culture change for me as I last wore business attire regularly in 2002-ish. I only have one suit set (interviews/weddings/funeral) so I need to buy some clothes. And yet I'm looking forward to starting. Nutty.

Figuring my drug test sample doesn't get tampered with, and Sudafed isn't on the list, I start June 17. They are good with me taking time off to go to Worlds in Sept (we're going for a week).

I'll keep going with the Aetna Nutmeg Spring Series, I just have to make it at least break even. I hope to cross-promote and all that.

Realistically I'm going to stop doing the extra event services work due to time constraints. I'll do the ones for this year but drop the more time consuming ones. That stuff is all profit, like the June 6 (Pie Ride) and June 14 (White Plains Crit) events will pay for about 1/4? of the shortfall of the Series, and one of the main reasons I don't want to start until June 17. Carpe Diem Racing will be significantly short for the year and the IRS doesn't like it when a business loses money all the time because then it becomes a hobby. I'll do two events not my own going forward - Tokeneke RR (because I can drive up in 30 minutes and I'm done when I leave the venue, no results or anything) and the club's Silk City Cross Race (close, lots of support from club, I do upload results though).
well, i'm looking to buy a Volvo or a Lexus in the next year. So if you are selling either of those...
echappist is offline  
Old 05-29-15, 03:39 PM
  #9074  
Killing Rabbits
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 5,697
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 278 Post(s)
Liked 217 Times in 102 Posts
Originally Posted by TheKillerPenguin
Have you all watched Kung Fury yet? You should watch Kung Fury. It might as well be alternatively named "I am the Internet and so Can You"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS5P_LAqiVg

Between this and the new Mad Max I'm basically a gallon jug filled with 5 gallons of testosterone.
That was funny.

They say if they get to $1,000,000 they will make it feature length.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...ry/description
"17,713 backers pledged $630,019"

Last edited by Enthalpic; 05-29-15 at 03:43 PM.
Enthalpic is offline  
Old 05-29-15, 05:19 PM
  #9075  
Senior Member
 
mike868y's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 9,284
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 248 Post(s)
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by carpediemracing
I'm voluntarily giving up every Tues Night race and my Saturdays and I feel fine about it.
mike868y is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.