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Old 06-20-15, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by misterwaterfall
What have you seen that makes you say this? Makes me assume a half assed diet and training plan but he's still rocking along. True?
True. Compared to a junior - not half assed.

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Originally Posted by Doge
That is at the professional level. I'm not so sure it helps at the younger level. The only juniors anyone believes are doping are the Kazaks, and they are not really all that fast. Maybe drugs work best at mid 20s when the hormones slow down. Giving drugs to kids just does not seem to be a good long term solution even if it were allowed as the body tends to shut down production of what it already has a lot of.
Chris Carmichael thought it was worth a try .... told the kids it was vitamins.
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Originally Posted by Homebrew01
Chris Carmichael thought it was worth a try .... told the kids it was vitamins.
What decade do you want to discuss? And...did it help?
At that time - several - a few dads up here used to live in Co Springs. That is not the case for anyone now.
I'm not even clear on what Chris did/did not do. He is not involved in USAC.

Where is the beef from? is a bigger question now. UCI has gone totally nuts on doping while all other sorts of cheating are left untouched. I think the kids are clean. There is little alignment with the rules and what is done.

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Originally Posted by Doge
What decade do you want to discuss? And...did it help?
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I'm living in the past. They are worse off for it.
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You said talent trumps all else. You didn't reference specifically that talent trumps all else as regards juniors exclusively. Lance disproved that whole thing.
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True. The context given in my post was the likely next junior world champion. Lance didn't do that much till post junior, so I don't know he proved anything.
I really don't know about drugs and juniors. I think they don't help. I had a kid on my football team in 70's that would do speed and run real fast and wasn't that good - just crazy. I'd take talent over all else. I'd take talent and no drugs over no talent and drugs. Talent and drugs - well - it was a junior context.
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Originally Posted by Enthalpic
Statements like "order of magnitude less then [nonrenewable]" or "your household trash is insignificant" are counterproductive.

Counterproductive to what?

Maybe technology will save the day and we will create new ways to harness renewable energy, that will allow us to continue our current profligate energy usage. That would be great.

Or, like oil apologists say, maybe technology will save the day and we will find cheaper ways to exploit nonrenewable energy sources, which would suck because then climate change will kill us faster.

Or, maybe we will make lots of progress but there's just no amount of technology that will be able to provide huge amounts of cheap energy, and we will have to massively change our consumption habits, not just in household gestures, but in huge realigning ways like how and where we produce food and goods. That's the outcome I'm expecting, and my worry is that hoping technology will solve the supply problem just lets us kick the usage problem further down the road.

I'm not saying we shouldn't be trying to find better ways to make energy, I'm just saying we shouldn't bet our civilization that we will succeed. We need to change how we use energy, and the longer we wait, the more disruptive the change will be.

Anyway, I'll stop before this turns into either politics or religion. Though, speaking of which, this is actually a really interesting and thoughtful read:

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I don't disagree with that.

We need education. People don't realize the pollution or waste or how much water it takes to make a single serving bottle of water.
Stanford and especially housing is all about "sustainability" but our retail outlets all still sell bottled water. Annoys me greatly.
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just bought a roku and cut the cord for the new house.
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just bought a roku and cut the cord for the new house.
Hmmmm. I cut cable but have not replaced it with anything. Taking a look. 1 time hardware purchase ?
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I got one, just for universal sports (via sling TV).

still haven't cut cable tho.. one day it'll happen.
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Hmmmm. I cut cable but have not replaced it with anything. Taking a look. 1 time hardware purchase ?
free content along with some subscription services ( hbo, netflix, etc.).
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free content along with some subscription services ( hbo, netflix, etc.).
How long before they get shut down for not paying royalties or copyright infringement or such ??
But for a 1 time cost, same as a monthly cable bill, I guess you come out ahead pretty quickly.
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I don't know. Considering roku is the leader in the industry, followed by others like apple TV, Amazon Fire, and Google…I reckon they've already dotted I's and crossed T's.

It's not like these things are new.
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Originally Posted by spectastic
it doesn't matter though. oil is not going to last. sooner or later, someone's going to figure out how to efficiently store energy, and bring renewables to the forefront of the energy market. electric vehicles are making a come back, and will be dominating the roads when they improve the batteries. people are going to figure out how to make plastics and rubber from plants, and grow those plants in artificial greenhouses 12 mo/yr. in 50 years, oil will be close to obsolete, just like wood and coal.
Wow, you're drinking a lot of Kool-Aid.

You rail against Texas because they produce oil...what about railing against the consumers of oil...is selling something that people want so bad? (And, for Pete's sake, there are plenty of other reasons to rail against Texas...please, Texas, try and secede just one more time...) How much oil have you consumed today, and how much "renewable" energy have you consumed today? Why?

Better energy storage? What could possibly be better storage than free, 10,000 feet under ground? I mean, you poke a whole in the earth, and free energy bubbles up...and it's transportable, easily usable, plentiful, and ubiquitous...

How do you know that renewables will ever be more economic than oil, which is, by some comparisons, cheaper than water? ($3/gallon at the pump; how much is a gallon at Whole Wallet?)

And electric vehicles? Soon, our dumps will be filled with short-lifetime lead-acid batteries....or even worse, lithium-ion batteries..

PS - I'm not pro-oil; I'm just pro-rational.
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I don't know. Considering roku is the leader in the industry, followed by others like apple TV, Amazon Fire, and Google…I reckon they've already dotted I's and crossed T's.

It's not like these things are new.
I haven't been paying attention. No one in our house seems interested in watching anything on TV.
I told my 18 year old daughter I cancelled cable, and she said "I'm devastated" as she rolled her eyes, and went back to surfing on her laptop.
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Originally Posted by spectastic
you're implying that nonrenewables will always be cheaper, but I don't believe that.
Not forever, but for at least the next 50-100 years.

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It is now more expensive to open more offshore drilling further from land than it is to get the nastiest stuff from Canada.
Incorrect. True in certain circumstances, but as a blanket statement it is incorrect.

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It's said that saudi oil has passed it's peak.
Incorrect.

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there's a growing consumer market for solar energy, stemming from the massive production of solar panels that causes their prices to fall
Incorrect. While people generally want to environmentally friendly, there are limits to how much of a premium they will pay to be "friendly"...when government subsidies for solar installations periodically wanes, "demand" for solar installations also coincidentally wanes, and this effect, to date, is generally more pronounced than economies of scale.

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utilities companies are starting to protest the use of solar panels for energy credit.
Of course. But completely irrelevant.

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reducing the cost of renewables is a matter of spurring production and driving the price down. Tesla is doing that right now with their cars and batteries.
Lol at citing Tesla as an example of driving the price down.

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and the kicker with renewables is that once you get past the capital cost, the cost of operations is almost nothing.
LOL incorrect. Just ask farmers...once you get past the capital cost, the cost of operations is almost nothing.
But wait..might this be true for drilling an oil well?

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once again, the problem is lack of awareness.
Incorrect. I fear the problem might actually be straightforward economics.

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we're still using the combustion engine to get around, a technology that's 2 centuries old, and around 10% efficient in real life, when the electric motor has been around for almost 100 years. tell me how that makes any sense.
The world is waiting for something better. Why don't you go invent it. Cold fusion, anybody?
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I told my 18 year old daughter I cancelled cable, and she said "I'm devastated" as she rolled her eyes, and went back to surfing on her laptop.
lol

I cannot think of a more damning anti-cable anecdote.
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The Roku is just the appliance. Most of the content worth watching comes from services you purchase, and they take care of the royalties. This isn't Napster Video. My youngest has one and uses it with Netflix. The captions take up too much real estate on their Macbook screen, so they use it to plug into any TV anywhere there is ethernet or wifi available. Their college doesn't allow streaming over wifi, so they used ethernet.

We still have cable and (gasp) a landline via cable.
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I'm up here in a Truckee condo with my son and guest that I believe will be the future junior World TT champ. It is very apparent that talent trumps all else.
AC? he's ridiculous.
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Cut the cord in 2010, used an Xbox 360 for Netflix and espn3, which at the time had a ton of stuff, particularly soccer. Unfortunately they lost a lot of that content in the past few years. Nowadays we primarily use Apple TV (Xbox has somehow become slow and clunky in comparison) and I use my in-laws cable login to get access to stuff.

Was hoping to be treated to some new gear for Father's Day, didn't happen lol
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
just bought a roku and cut the cord for the new house.
we did this last year, and are using google chrome cast. we have never missed cable. One of my kids didn't even notice we'd cut it for several weeks. We use putlocker for free movies and you tube for a lot of stuff too. we cut the land line at the same time and ended up saving $120 a month on all that stuff!

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I have this itch from this guy who I just can't really take seriously, whose only statements of any substance are focusing on government subsidies over the growth of the solar industry, and pretending it takes no effort to extract something from 10000 ft underground and distill it, and sell it at a marginal return... I don't know whether I should be sad or sorry.
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