CTL, FTP and winter training... does it really make a difference? Scenario inside...
08-27-14, 10:37 AM
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Wouldn't have chimed in other settings, but we are dealing with an OP who has obviously over-reached and perhaps over-trained. Don't see "everyone else rests too much" being conducive to someone who apparently has had the same cycle of intense build up followed by huge drop in training for a few years.
yeah.
Anyway, sorry everyone. I apologize for quoting dz and responding to him that I feel like instead of needing more rest I think lots of people could do more with less rest.
Anyway, I still feel that way so I guess I'm not that sorry. But unless you're @mattm you shouldn't take it personally.
08-27-14, 10:54 AM
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Anyway, sorry everyone. I apologize for quoting dz and responding to him that I feel like instead of needing more rest I think lots of people could do more with less rest.
Anyway, I still feel that way so I guess I'm not that sorry. But unless you're @mattm you shouldn't take it personally.
Anyway, I still feel that way so I guess I'm not that sorry. But unless you're @mattm you shouldn't take it personally.
08-27-14, 12:06 PM
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your are posting in a public forum. if it's not a private message, it's for public consumption, ipso facto
then why bother with the charade? no one expects you to change your strongly held opinions, but that doesn't mean your opinions aren't up for discussion. No one cajoled you into airing your opinions.
then why bother with the charade? no one expects you to change your strongly held opinions, but that doesn't mean your opinions aren't up for discussion. No one cajoled you into airing your opinions.
Saying that I "think I'm perfect" is not discussion.
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08-27-14, 02:21 PM
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this thread got so out of hand, so fast. hilarious.
i'm with fudgy and dz. i lead a pretty boring life (by choice) so if I'm not riding, working, eating, or sleeping...i don't know what the hell else to do.
i'm with fudgy and dz. i lead a pretty boring life (by choice) so if I'm not riding, working, eating, or sleeping...i don't know what the hell else to do.
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08-27-14, 02:54 PM
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On the same note, I've noticed that convertibles are wasted on the old... they don't even have hair to blow around in the wind anymore!!
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I'm with mattm and valygrl. The only data that is accurate is the raw power. All metrics are suspect due to the estimated FTP. I would draw no conclusions from them. However your training cycles are very valid data. To rest for weeks doing nothing then blast, rest, blast, rest, burn is no way to train for consistency my friend. You need a little structure. Even Fudgy the Wunderkind trains with some kind of structure. You don't need a coach, you need a plan. A coach can help with that, or you can parlay the free advice here and devise your own.
My my suggestion would be to take at least one week completely off with no strenuous activity, long periods of standing, etc. Then start a base program at a low weekly TSS. If you go on a group ride or solo ride on the weekend keep the hard stuff for that but minimize it during the week. Focus on tempo, a little threshold, and recovery rides. As it gets towards the holidays the start ramping up the intensity and adding in rest weeks.
My my suggestion would be to take at least one week completely off with no strenuous activity, long periods of standing, etc. Then start a base program at a low weekly TSS. If you go on a group ride or solo ride on the weekend keep the hard stuff for that but minimize it during the week. Focus on tempo, a little threshold, and recovery rides. As it gets towards the holidays the start ramping up the intensity and adding in rest weeks.
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Hear, hear!
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08-29-14, 06:35 AM
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Getting this back on topic again... I've been running a CTL of 105+ for the last 6-8wks, guess that might explain the constant tired feeling. Still riding well, but I know it's a matter of time before some real rest is required...
08-29-14, 07:04 AM
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@rbart4506, IME, not just with me but as someone who has provided training advice to lots of people and has reviewed season power files, 100+ CTL is a pretty darned high CTL. are you adjusting your FTP periodically and accordingly based on testing data or have you kept it constant for the season?
08-29-14, 06:51 PM
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I've adjusted as the season has gone on, but my Catskills TT showed that my FTP was probably a bit higher then I had it listed. I didn't adjust at that point because the TT had a significant uphill portion and I wasn't sure how much that skewed the results. I also did a number of long rides with extensive climbing in July and August that really dropped the TSB and I think caused a spike in ATL and CTL. Definitely after GMSR I need a bit of break especially I plan on doing 6gap...
08-30-14, 05:21 AM
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If one surveyed all riders the most common scenario one would find is guys-- both--not resting enough and not going hard enough. That middle ground is a much more pleasant place to ride and lure folks into its web of suck.
08-30-14, 02:16 PM
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Yup... I know I sit there all too often! Have to work on that next season. I've made progress this year for sure, but there's more in here I know it...
08-30-14, 02:44 PM
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I'm quite happy riding for fun and the resulting mediocrity, thank you very much.
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