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    Racing categories

    Ok so this is my first year getting into racing so Im still kinda of a idiot. I understand the categories as far as numbers go 12345 for men1234 for women. My question is when I read a race flyer I see the MM, SM, MM age +, SM plus category. Can somebody explain this all to me? It would be very helpful.

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    I've never seen such abbreviations so no wonder you're confused. Juniors, category racing, age group racing (masters), & women. Pretty much what you need to know.

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    My guesses:

    MM = "Masters Men", old folk (generally 35+)

    SM = "Senior Men", meaning all ages of men (and women if they choose to race)
    - aka "Elite" in some regions

    MM age+ = "Masters Men" but only 45+ or whatever the minimum age is
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    Ok this helps, this is what I was guessing too. Some of the event flyers are standard just sex and category but a few have these abreviations. I located in Nebraska middle of nowhere, but some of these events are in Colorado.Im just looking for some Cat 5 races to look into next season, but got all confused.

    Quote Originally Posted by mattm View Post
    My guesses:

    MM = "Masters Men", old folk (generally 35+)

    SM = "Senior Men", meaning all ages of men (and women if they choose to race)
    - aka "Elite" in some regions

    MM age+ = "Masters Men" but only 45+ or whatever the minimum age is

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sizzle82 View Post
    Ok this helps, this is what I was guessing too. Some of the event flyers are standard just sex and category but a few have these abreviations. I located in Nebraska middle of nowhere, but some of these events are in Colorado.Im just looking for some Cat 5 races to look into next season, but got all confused.
    Just remember you have to meet all the qualifications of a field - if it's M45 Cat 1-4 then you have to be both 45 or older and a Cat 1-4.

    Older can go younger until you get to the main 18-35 group. M55 can enter an M45 race. Younger can go older in Juniors (i.e. a 14 year old can enter the 15-18 field, pending categories).

    Women can enter +1 category in a men's race, so a Cat 3 woman can enter a Cat 4 men's race. For Cat 1 women it's +2 so a Cat 1 woman can enter a Cat 3 race. They're -10 for Masters so an M35 woman can enter M45 men's races. You could get a Cat 1 M35 woman entering a Cat 3-4 M45 masters race, for example.
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    Ok so Im 32 and of course cat 5 so I should be looking for Cat 5 obviously and SM Cat 5? Not MM here a breakdown of a flyer I found in my area.

    Senior Women 3* 7:35 AM 45 min Awards / 3 3 $35
    MW 45+* 7:35:30 AM 45 min Awards / 3 3 $35
    Senior Women 4* 8:30 AM 40 min Awards / 3 3 $35
    Masters Women 55+* 8:30:30 AM 40 min Awards / 3 3 $35
    MM 45+ Cat 4* 9:20 AM 40 min Awards / 3 3 $35 100
    Senior Men 4 10:10 AM 40 min Awards / 3 3 $35 100
    MM 35+ Cat 4 11:00 AM 40 min Awards / 3 3 $35 100
    MM 35+ (1-2-3) 11:50 AM 50 min Awards / 3 3 $35 100
    MM 45+(1-2-3)* 1:00 PM 45 min Awards / 3 3 $35 100
    SM Cat 5 (<40) 1:55 PM 20 min Medals / 3 3 $35
    MM Cat 5 (>40) 1:55:15 PM 20 min Medals / 3 3 $35
    Senior Men 3* 2:25 PM 50 min Awards / 3 3 $35 100
    Senior Women P-1-2* 3:25 PM 50 min $200 3 $35
    Masters Women 35+* 3:25:30 PM 50 min Awards / 3 3 $35
    Senior Men P-1-2* 4:25 PM

    Quote Originally Posted by carpediemracing View Post
    Just remember you have to meet all the qualifications of a field - if it's M45 Cat 1-4 then you have to be both 45 or older and a Cat 1-4.

    Older can go younger until you get to the main 18-35 group. M55 can enter an M45 race. Younger can go older in Juniors (i.e. a 14 year old can enter the 15-18 field, pending categories).

    Women can enter +1 category in a men's race, so a Cat 3 woman can enter a Cat 4 men's race. For Cat 1 women it's +2 so a Cat 1 woman can enter a Cat 3 race. They're -10 for Masters so an M35 woman can enter M45 men's races. You could get a Cat 1 M35 woman entering a Cat 3-4 M45 masters race, for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sizzle82 View Post
    Ok so Im 32 and of course cat 5 so I should be looking for Cat 5 obviously and SM Cat 5? Not MM here a breakdown of a flyer I found in my area.

    Senior Women 3* 7:35 AM 45 min Awards / 3 3 $35
    MW 45+* 7:35:30 AM 45 min Awards / 3 3 $35
    Senior Women 4* 8:30 AM 40 min Awards / 3 3 $35
    Masters Women 55+* 8:30:30 AM 40 min Awards / 3 3 $35
    MM 45+ Cat 4* 9:20 AM 40 min Awards / 3 3 $35 100
    Senior Men 4 10:10 AM 40 min Awards / 3 3 $35 100
    MM 35+ Cat 4 11:00 AM 40 min Awards / 3 3 $35 100
    MM 35+ (1-2-3) 11:50 AM 50 min Awards / 3 3 $35 100
    MM 45+(1-2-3)* 1:00 PM 45 min Awards / 3 3 $35 100
    SM Cat 5 (<40) 1:55 PM 20 min Medals / 3 3 $35
    MM Cat 5 (>40) 1:55:15 PM 20 min Medals / 3 3 $35
    Senior Men 3* 2:25 PM 50 min Awards / 3 3 $35 100
    Senior Women P-1-2* 3:25 PM 50 min $200 3 $35
    Masters Women 35+* 3:25:30 PM 50 min Awards / 3 3 $35
    Senior Men P-1-2* 4:25 PM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ygduf View Post
    ^^
    Thank you that helps a lot. Here's to a first year racing bikes!!!!!

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    $35 what a rip!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ovoleg View Post
    $35 what a rip!
    For 20 minutes, yes. But what other price would it be? Almost every race I've done was $35

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    I'm doing the state championship M60+ road race for $35 this Sunday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronmcd View Post
    For 20 minutes, yes. But what other price would it be? Almost every race I've done was $35
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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronmcd View Post
    For 20 minutes, yes. But what other price would it be? Almost every race I've done was $35
    Quote Originally Posted by revchuck View Post
    I'm doing the state championship M60+ road race for $35 this Sunday.
    I usually pre-reg early and its $20-$30 here in SoCal for Cat4 races.

    $35 for 20mins feels sorta....dirty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ygduf View Post
    free p12 rr for me all next year!
    easy now...them races will be $3
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    Quote Originally Posted by ovoleg View Post
    I usually pre-reg early and its $20-$30 here in SoCal for Cat4 races.

    $35 for 20mins feels sorta....dirty.
    Just race that much harder and really get your money's worth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hack View Post
    easy now...them races will be $3

    I prefer to look at it like "buy 1 get 11 free"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ovoleg View Post
    $35 for 20mins feels sorta....dirty.
    No different though than paying a fee to enter a 5k run, or short velodrome event, or any other competition that is fast and furious.

    Weekend warriors must learn to win from 20min crits to 100k road races. Each with it's own flair and each worth $35.

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    Yeah $35 is kinda high but I live in a crappy area for racing so I don't have a lot of options with out traveling. Usually pre-reg is $25 or so. I guess it better than nothing.

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    Sizzle - the only choice in CO for you is Cat 5, which will often be called "SM5" for Senior Men. Once you get your 10 races & upgrade, your only choice will be SM4 until you cat up or age into the masters.

    There are a couple of mid-week series in Denver and Golden (over now) that are cheaper, if you can get to them.

    But yeah, most of the crits here are $35 and yeah, that is expensive.

    Here's the colorado race calendar:
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    Thank you that is very helpful. I have looked at the calendar and Im planning on hitting some early season races and getting some experience.

    Quote Originally Posted by valygrl View Post
    Sizzle - the only choice in CO for you is Cat 5, which will often be called "SM5" for Senior Men. Once you get your 10 races & upgrade, your only choice will be SM4 until you cat up or age into the masters.

    There are a couple of mid-week series in Denver and Golden (over now) that are cheaper, if you can get to them.

    But yeah, most of the crits here are $35 and yeah, that is expensive.

    Here's the colorado race calendar:
    Bicycle Racing Association of Colorado || Event Calendar | www.americancycling.org

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    Those are some weird categories. In general Senior is now Elite and under 30. Masters is over 30 and usually restricted to Cat 1-4 or Cat 1-3. When you see Cat5 with an age group it is not Masters it is age grouped Cat5. I strongly suggest that you download and read the rulebook. All if this is explained as well as the rules. Unfamiliarity with the rules is not an excuse, you can and will be penalized for breaking them.

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    paid thousands for my bike, hundreds for clothing, godknowshowmuch for a powermeter, but I'll be damned if Im payin' 35 bucks to race!

    facepalm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hammy56 View Post
    paid thousands for my bike, hundreds for clothing, godknowshowmuch for a powermeter, but I'll be damned if Im payin' 35 bucks to race!

    facepalm.
    I've done 46 races this year. $1600 is significant. (Some were reduced for second race of the day, but some were increased for day of reg.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by hammy56 View Post
    paid thousands for my bike, hundreds for clothing, godknowshowmuch for a powermeter, but I'll be damned if Im payin' 35 bucks to race!

    facepalm.
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