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    Race Tactics and Strategy

    I apologize if there is such a thread.
    What super secret things can you share that are strategic or tactical?

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    timing is everything.
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    Sprints are won with two things:1. patience
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    You need both to win.
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    ITT: smartass answers

    I will contribute this: peak fitness isn't important if you lack the race experience to know how to use it. Race more = get better at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ygduf View Post
    ITT: smartass answers
    i was being serious dammit!

    rk said it better than me tho.
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    Do not race against juniors.
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    Allow the big. strong triathlete to drag you around, then pip them in the sprint.
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    Why would I share super secret things?

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    Does anyone use a mini-max analysis while racing, yourself vs the collective field?

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    There's a book out there that covers a lot of this.

    In the meantime, here's a tip that's pure gold: spend as much (or more) time working on bike handling skills as you do on power training. Power means nothing if you're lying on the ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
    mini-max analysis
    whats that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EventServices View Post
    There's a book out there that covers a lot of this.

    In the meantime, here's a tip that's pure gold: spend as much (or more) time working on bike handling skills as you do on power training. Power means nothing if you're lying on the ground.
    Thanks for validating my partial season of riding the wrong type of bike through silly terrain in a discipline I'm not particularly good at; that requires, of all stupidity, getting off your bike and carrying it.
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    If you need to thin out the pack, learn how to attack/ counter attack in an aero position seated. It never looks threatening until you've created a nice gap and a lot of panic in the main group. This will also help you manage who the real contenders are for the podium instead of thinking that everyone is a threat.

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    Be able to recognize the top 30% before the race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattm View Post
    whats that?
    It's a game-theory way of examining possible moves in a game tree. Given your possible actions, consider each possible response and evaluate them from worst for you to least worst, then all of your possible responses to each of those ranked from best to least best. And so on, as deeply as you can imagine. The end result (best-worst-best ...) is the best you can expect from a particular decision.

    I was just wondering how commonly bike racers arrange their tactics in this sort of strategy, or if it's always a 2-ply sort of deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doge View Post
    What super secret things can you share that are strategic or tactical?
    My coach had raced on the board tracks pre-WWII, his strategy:

    "Be there at the end."

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