2015 Race Results
04-16-15, 04:49 PM
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04-16-15, 05:36 PM
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A battle of haves and have nots. A lot can go wrong in training or racing in the sport, or just mental fatigue in general. Some guys just suck and there really isn't you can do about it.
I'm still kicking myself about last winter, where my w/kg dropped from 4.1 to 3.3 despite having a ctl in the 80s. Unfortunately, my leg gave out right when racing started. Supposedly if you suck at racing = lazy but sometimes there are other factors at play. I just really hope I can stay healthy and prove to myself that I'm not wasting my time in this sport. Honestly I'm only 2 years into it and last year was a wash as I was building the engine and learning. Still it can be frustrating at times....or all the time.
I'm still kicking myself about last winter, where my w/kg dropped from 4.1 to 3.3 despite having a ctl in the 80s. Unfortunately, my leg gave out right when racing started. Supposedly if you suck at racing = lazy but sometimes there are other factors at play. I just really hope I can stay healthy and prove to myself that I'm not wasting my time in this sport. Honestly I'm only 2 years into it and last year was a wash as I was building the engine and learning. Still it can be frustrating at times....or all the time.
04-16-15, 05:41 PM
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Judging by guys I talk to, Phipps, Cottel, @gsteinb, etc...
that doesn't seem to ever go away regardless of how well you do.
that doesn't seem to ever go away regardless of how well you do.
04-16-15, 05:41 PM
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04-16-15, 05:47 PM
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I also believe that success begets success. Winning gets easier once you learn how to win. However, once others learn how you win, the cycle starts again. Consistency has always been the holy grail, for me at least.
04-16-15, 06:26 PM
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In NorCal locally, it is even simpler. What is your OLH time, beat the clock or Sattley TT time and Hellyer Flying 200 meter time.
04-16-15, 08:18 PM
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thursday crit
4th in the 3/4: stayed near the front, stayed above the swarms, and did my best to stay sheltered until the last 200. will have to watch the video, but i don't think there was much more i could've done
4th in the 4/5: same story, won a prime, got 4th (better than i thought considering both races are back to back)
still haven't figured out how the upgrade points work for the series, as only the top 20 riders are recorded, even when the field is 50+. and it's mixed fields... so best case scenario, I am now 1 pt away from cat 3, which i'm going to try to get this weekend in dallas.
4th in the 3/4: stayed near the front, stayed above the swarms, and did my best to stay sheltered until the last 200. will have to watch the video, but i don't think there was much more i could've done
4th in the 4/5: same story, won a prime, got 4th (better than i thought considering both races are back to back)
still haven't figured out how the upgrade points work for the series, as only the top 20 riders are recorded, even when the field is 50+. and it's mixed fields... so best case scenario, I am now 1 pt away from cat 3, which i'm going to try to get this weekend in dallas.
04-16-15, 10:12 PM
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Great work @spectastic!
I suppose it doesn't; I really wouldn't know. For me, I enjoy the idea of earning something; something you actually have to dedicate yourself to. Put your head down and do the work, and success comes. If it doesn't, work harder. The mantra doesn't guarantee success, especially when you train with a dislocated femur.
Judging by guys I talk to, Phipps, Cottel, @gsteinb, etc...
that doesn't seem to ever go away regardless of how well you do.
that doesn't seem to ever go away regardless of how well you do.
04-17-15, 04:35 AM
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what does wasting your time mean? Change your frame. None of us are going anywhere, and as has been pointed out nearly everyone who jumps to the next highest rung on the ladder takes a step backwards. Be in it fun health, fun, mental and physical challenges, friendship. Be the best you possible and allow that to be a model for life.
04-17-15, 05:47 AM
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I am really high on racing right now and the last couple of weeks I have experienced positive feelings while racing, that are hard to describe. Those moments are not correlated with "success" in terms of finishing well.
At New Britain on Sunday (the race CDR won), 2nd race of my day, really hard effort at the end of the first race, and a minor cardiac episode between races -- all of which is just to say, in a somewhat physically raw state -- there was a long stretch where I was in the back 1/3 of a big pack on a narrow course and I felt like I sort of disappeared into the peloton, part of a giant organism flowing around the course, no sense of my own legs working, no higher brain thoughts of "close that gap, don't get pinched", etc. Same thing happened in the fairgrounds race, stretches of time while taking a pull that I had a vague sense I was working hard but carving through the s-turn just felt natural and selfless. (During a couple of those moments I noticed I had ridden the guys off my wheel and had to consciously intervene with the flow to dial it back a little bit, although glancing at the PM didn't show anything too crazy.)
I think this is what people mean when they talk about being in the zone. I also think everybody experiences it differently. Driving home from NB I was talking to a teammate about it and he somewhat embarrassedly said that while he was negotiating the field sprint he felt like he was a tie fighter in a star wars movie, weaving through a space battle. I think he was describing the same sort of thing. It's so hard to describe because in one way it's like losing yourself, but at the same time it's like being the purest, rawest you that you can be, with no ego observing and judging your actions. I guess you could even call it spiritual. It's also very addictive; regular everyday life seems pale and washed out compared to those heightened moments.
Again, this has nothing to do with results or success as measured by anyone else. It also doesn't require being stronger or smarter than everyone else. It just requires enough fitness to be able to do what others are doing with enough oxygen left to feed your brain, and enough experience not to be nervous about the moment-to-moment management of your body and your bike.
04-17-15, 06:16 AM
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Im still trying to figure out how to race. Its those small glimmers of hope that happen a couple times a year that keep me motivated, even if I do suck the other 95% of the time.
04-17-15, 07:56 AM
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I think the biggest thing is having the ability to race on a consistent basis. If you are in an area that has 4-5 races a year, and then you are done for the year unless you are willing/able to travel 4-5 hours (one way) to do additional races, it is harder to "learn to race".
I can look at my area and in about two weeks, the season is mostly over (I think there are two additional races after that time). My choice then is travel and get a hotel room for every race I do or start training for next year's races.
I'm envious of people who can race 15-20 times a year.
I can look at my area and in about two weeks, the season is mostly over (I think there are two additional races after that time). My choice then is travel and get a hotel room for every race I do or start training for next year's races.
I'm envious of people who can race 15-20 times a year.
04-17-15, 07:59 AM
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As for modesty or self-confidence or wahtever... Well, going by actual numbers - results, racing category, how long it took for me to reach Cat 3, etc, I guess you'd say I'm not much of a racer. But somehow I still believe that I'm friggin great at this, that if I can get my **** together with the training that good things will follow. That keeps me coming back. On the other side of it, maybe shaky confidence can inspire the getting up early to put in hours and get faster. I don't know. I think there are a bunch of different personality types that can keep you going in this sport or even bring you success, however you measure success.
04-17-15, 09:17 AM
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I am really high on racing right now and the last couple of weeks I have experienced positive feelings while racing, that are hard to describe. Those moments are not correlated with "success" in terms of finishing well.
At New Britain on Sunday (the race CDR won), 2nd race of my day, really hard effort at the end of the first race, and a minor cardiac episode between races -- all of which is just to say, in a somewhat physically raw state -- there was a long stretch where I was in the back 1/3 of a big pack on a narrow course and I felt like I sort of disappeared into the peloton, part of a giant organism flowing around the course, no sense of my own legs working, no higher brain thoughts of "close that gap, don't get pinched", etc. Same thing happened in the fairgrounds race, stretches of time while taking a pull that I had a vague sense I was working hard but carving through the s-turn just felt natural and selfless. (During a couple of those moments I noticed I had ridden the guys off my wheel and had to consciously intervene with the flow to dial it back a little bit, although glancing at the PM didn't show anything too crazy.)
I think this is what people mean when they talk about being in the zone. I also think everybody experiences it differently. Driving home from NB I was talking to a teammate about it and he somewhat embarrassedly said that while he was negotiating the field sprint he felt like he was a tie fighter in a star wars movie, weaving through a space battle. I think he was describing the same sort of thing. It's so hard to describe because in one way it's like losing yourself, but at the same time it's like being the purest, rawest you that you can be, with no ego observing and judging your actions. I guess you could even call it spiritual. It's also very addictive; regular everyday life seems pale and washed out compared to those heightened moments.
Again, this has nothing to do with results or success as measured by anyone else. It also doesn't require being stronger or smarter than everyone else. It just requires enough fitness to be able to do what others are doing with enough oxygen left to feed your brain, and enough experience not to be nervous about the moment-to-moment management of your body and your bike.
At New Britain on Sunday (the race CDR won), 2nd race of my day, really hard effort at the end of the first race, and a minor cardiac episode between races -- all of which is just to say, in a somewhat physically raw state -- there was a long stretch where I was in the back 1/3 of a big pack on a narrow course and I felt like I sort of disappeared into the peloton, part of a giant organism flowing around the course, no sense of my own legs working, no higher brain thoughts of "close that gap, don't get pinched", etc. Same thing happened in the fairgrounds race, stretches of time while taking a pull that I had a vague sense I was working hard but carving through the s-turn just felt natural and selfless. (During a couple of those moments I noticed I had ridden the guys off my wheel and had to consciously intervene with the flow to dial it back a little bit, although glancing at the PM didn't show anything too crazy.)
I think this is what people mean when they talk about being in the zone. I also think everybody experiences it differently. Driving home from NB I was talking to a teammate about it and he somewhat embarrassedly said that while he was negotiating the field sprint he felt like he was a tie fighter in a star wars movie, weaving through a space battle. I think he was describing the same sort of thing. It's so hard to describe because in one way it's like losing yourself, but at the same time it's like being the purest, rawest you that you can be, with no ego observing and judging your actions. I guess you could even call it spiritual. It's also very addictive; regular everyday life seems pale and washed out compared to those heightened moments.
Again, this has nothing to do with results or success as measured by anyone else. It also doesn't require being stronger or smarter than everyone else. It just requires enough fitness to be able to do what others are doing with enough oxygen left to feed your brain, and enough experience not to be nervous about the moment-to-moment management of your body and your bike.
04-17-15, 09:56 AM
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I think this is really, really important. I would love to "be good" at this sport. I watch guys around me come up and continue to progress and yeah, it would be great to have that. But, I work hard, I train hard, and I get what I get. Success for me, at this point, is having fun. I get an absolute thrill out of racing p123 crits, even if I am merely tailgunning. i absolutely crave the total gutted feeling you get after a long hilly road race, regardless of result. nothing else compares. maybe this outlook holds me back and allows me to accept mediocrity. idk, but I still like bike racing, so I still do it.
04-17-15, 09:58 AM
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Agree...if nothing else I feel most alive while racing, cuz deep down inside I'm just a cave man wanting to chase down my dinner and modern life is all comfy and insulated from how things really are.
04-17-15, 10:02 AM
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I am really high on racing right now and the last couple of weeks I have experienced positive feelings while racing, that are hard to describe. Those moments are not correlated with "success" in terms of finishing well.
At New Britain on Sunday (the race CDR won), 2nd race of my day, really hard effort at the end of the first race, and a minor cardiac episode between races -- all of which is just to say, in a somewhat physically raw state -- there was a long stretch where I was in the back 1/3 of a big pack on a narrow course and I felt like I sort of disappeared into the peloton, part of a giant organism flowing around the course, no sense of my own legs working, no higher brain thoughts of "close that gap, don't get pinched", etc. Same thing happened in the fairgrounds race, stretches of time while taking a pull that I had a vague sense I was working hard but carving through the s-turn just felt natural and selfless. (During a couple of those moments I noticed I had ridden the guys off my wheel and had to consciously intervene with the flow to dial it back a little bit, although glancing at the PM didn't show anything too crazy.)
I think this is what people mean when they talk about being in the zone. I also think everybody experiences it differently. Driving home from NB I was talking to a teammate about it and he somewhat embarrassedly said that while he was negotiating the field sprint he felt like he was a tie fighter in a star wars movie, weaving through a space battle. I think he was describing the same sort of thing. It's so hard to describe because in one way it's like losing yourself, but at the same time it's like being the purest, rawest you that you can be, with no ego observing and judging your actions. I guess you could even call it spiritual. It's also very addictive; regular everyday life seems pale and washed out compared to those heightened moments.
Again, this has nothing to do with results or success as measured by anyone else. It also doesn't require being stronger or smarter than everyone else. It just requires enough fitness to be able to do what others are doing with enough oxygen left to feed your brain, and enough experience not to be nervous about the moment-to-moment management of your body and your bike.
At New Britain on Sunday (the race CDR won), 2nd race of my day, really hard effort at the end of the first race, and a minor cardiac episode between races -- all of which is just to say, in a somewhat physically raw state -- there was a long stretch where I was in the back 1/3 of a big pack on a narrow course and I felt like I sort of disappeared into the peloton, part of a giant organism flowing around the course, no sense of my own legs working, no higher brain thoughts of "close that gap, don't get pinched", etc. Same thing happened in the fairgrounds race, stretches of time while taking a pull that I had a vague sense I was working hard but carving through the s-turn just felt natural and selfless. (During a couple of those moments I noticed I had ridden the guys off my wheel and had to consciously intervene with the flow to dial it back a little bit, although glancing at the PM didn't show anything too crazy.)
I think this is what people mean when they talk about being in the zone. I also think everybody experiences it differently. Driving home from NB I was talking to a teammate about it and he somewhat embarrassedly said that while he was negotiating the field sprint he felt like he was a tie fighter in a star wars movie, weaving through a space battle. I think he was describing the same sort of thing. It's so hard to describe because in one way it's like losing yourself, but at the same time it's like being the purest, rawest you that you can be, with no ego observing and judging your actions. I guess you could even call it spiritual. It's also very addictive; regular everyday life seems pale and washed out compared to those heightened moments.
Again, this has nothing to do with results or success as measured by anyone else. It also doesn't require being stronger or smarter than everyone else. It just requires enough fitness to be able to do what others are doing with enough oxygen left to feed your brain, and enough experience not to be nervous about the moment-to-moment management of your body and your bike.
04-17-15, 10:05 AM
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If you haven't already, read this: Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Experience (Harper Perennial Modern Classics): Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi: 9780061339202: Amazon.com: Books
this --- >https://www.amazon.com/Playing-Zone-E.../dp/1570621519
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Bone Games
much more engaging reads.
04-17-15, 11:23 AM
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I am really high on racing right now and the last couple of weeks I have experienced positive feelings while racing, that are hard to describe. Those moments are not correlated with "success" in terms of finishing well.
At New Britain on Sunday (the race CDR won), 2nd race of my day, really hard effort at the end of the first race, and a minor cardiac episode between races -- all of which is just to say, in a somewhat physically raw state -- there was a long stretch where I was in the back 1/3 of a big pack on a narrow course and I felt like I sort of disappeared into the peloton, part of a giant organism flowing around the course, no sense of my own legs working, no higher brain thoughts of "close that gap, don't get pinched", etc. Same thing happened in the fairgrounds race, stretches of time while taking a pull that I had a vague sense I was working hard but carving through the s-turn just felt natural and selfless. (During a couple of those moments I noticed I had ridden the guys off my wheel and had to consciously intervene with the flow to dial it back a little bit, although glancing at the PM didn't show anything too crazy.)
I think this is what people mean when they talk about being in the zone. I also think everybody experiences it differently. Driving home from NB I was talking to a teammate about it and he somewhat embarrassedly said that while he was negotiating the field sprint he felt like he was a tie fighter in a star wars movie, weaving through a space battle. I think he was describing the same sort of thing. It's so hard to describe because in one way it's like losing yourself, but at the same time it's like being the purest, rawest you that you can be, with no ego observing and judging your actions. I guess you could even call it spiritual. It's also very addictive; regular everyday life seems pale and washed out compared to those heightened moments.
Again, this has nothing to do with results or success as measured by anyone else. It also doesn't require being stronger or smarter than everyone else. It just requires enough fitness to be able to do what others are doing with enough oxygen left to feed your brain, and enough experience not to be nervous about the moment-to-moment management of your body and your bike.
At New Britain on Sunday (the race CDR won), 2nd race of my day, really hard effort at the end of the first race, and a minor cardiac episode between races -- all of which is just to say, in a somewhat physically raw state -- there was a long stretch where I was in the back 1/3 of a big pack on a narrow course and I felt like I sort of disappeared into the peloton, part of a giant organism flowing around the course, no sense of my own legs working, no higher brain thoughts of "close that gap, don't get pinched", etc. Same thing happened in the fairgrounds race, stretches of time while taking a pull that I had a vague sense I was working hard but carving through the s-turn just felt natural and selfless. (During a couple of those moments I noticed I had ridden the guys off my wheel and had to consciously intervene with the flow to dial it back a little bit, although glancing at the PM didn't show anything too crazy.)
I think this is what people mean when they talk about being in the zone. I also think everybody experiences it differently. Driving home from NB I was talking to a teammate about it and he somewhat embarrassedly said that while he was negotiating the field sprint he felt like he was a tie fighter in a star wars movie, weaving through a space battle. I think he was describing the same sort of thing. It's so hard to describe because in one way it's like losing yourself, but at the same time it's like being the purest, rawest you that you can be, with no ego observing and judging your actions. I guess you could even call it spiritual. It's also very addictive; regular everyday life seems pale and washed out compared to those heightened moments.
Again, this has nothing to do with results or success as measured by anyone else. It also doesn't require being stronger or smarter than everyone else. It just requires enough fitness to be able to do what others are doing with enough oxygen left to feed your brain, and enough experience not to be nervous about the moment-to-moment management of your body and your bike.
Living in the "now". No worries about the future or regrets from the past.
04-17-15, 12:09 PM
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Reminds me, I've noticed how strange it is when in a 3-4 hour race not a single thought enters my mind not pertaining to the race. Even at the track Wednesday night, there was an announcer talking through all the races, but I never heard a word he said during my races, except for "756" as I barely crossed the line first for the third sprint in win and out.
04-17-15, 02:13 PM
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I am really high on racing right now and the last couple of weeks I have experienced positive feelings while racing, that are hard to describe. Those moments are not correlated with "success" in terms of finishing well.
At New Britain on Sunday (the race CDR won), 2nd race of my day, really hard effort at the end of the first race, and a minor cardiac episode between races -- all of which is just to say, in a somewhat physically raw state -- there was a long stretch where I was in the back 1/3 of a big pack on a narrow course and I felt like I sort of disappeared into the peloton, part of a giant organism flowing around the course, no sense of my own legs working, no higher brain thoughts of "close that gap, don't get pinched", etc. Same thing happened in the fairgrounds race, stretches of time while taking a pull that I had a vague sense I was working hard but carving through the s-turn just felt natural and selfless. (During a couple of those moments I noticed I had ridden the guys off my wheel and had to consciously intervene with the flow to dial it back a little bit, although glancing at the PM didn't show anything too crazy.)
I think this is what people mean when they talk about being in the zone. I also think everybody experiences it differently. Driving home from NB I was talking to a teammate about it and he somewhat embarrassedly said that while he was negotiating the field sprint he felt like he was a tie fighter in a star wars movie, weaving through a space battle. I think he was describing the same sort of thing. It's so hard to describe because in one way it's like losing yourself, but at the same time it's like being the purest, rawest you that you can be, with no ego observing and judging your actions. I guess you could even call it spiritual. It's also very addictive; regular everyday life seems pale and washed out compared to those heightened moments.
Again, this has nothing to do with results or success as measured by anyone else. It also doesn't require being stronger or smarter than everyone else. It just requires enough fitness to be able to do what others are doing with enough oxygen left to feed your brain, and enough experience not to be nervous about the moment-to-moment management of your body and your bike.
At New Britain on Sunday (the race CDR won), 2nd race of my day, really hard effort at the end of the first race, and a minor cardiac episode between races -- all of which is just to say, in a somewhat physically raw state -- there was a long stretch where I was in the back 1/3 of a big pack on a narrow course and I felt like I sort of disappeared into the peloton, part of a giant organism flowing around the course, no sense of my own legs working, no higher brain thoughts of "close that gap, don't get pinched", etc. Same thing happened in the fairgrounds race, stretches of time while taking a pull that I had a vague sense I was working hard but carving through the s-turn just felt natural and selfless. (During a couple of those moments I noticed I had ridden the guys off my wheel and had to consciously intervene with the flow to dial it back a little bit, although glancing at the PM didn't show anything too crazy.)
I think this is what people mean when they talk about being in the zone. I also think everybody experiences it differently. Driving home from NB I was talking to a teammate about it and he somewhat embarrassedly said that while he was negotiating the field sprint he felt like he was a tie fighter in a star wars movie, weaving through a space battle. I think he was describing the same sort of thing. It's so hard to describe because in one way it's like losing yourself, but at the same time it's like being the purest, rawest you that you can be, with no ego observing and judging your actions. I guess you could even call it spiritual. It's also very addictive; regular everyday life seems pale and washed out compared to those heightened moments.
Again, this has nothing to do with results or success as measured by anyone else. It also doesn't require being stronger or smarter than everyone else. It just requires enough fitness to be able to do what others are doing with enough oxygen left to feed your brain, and enough experience not to be nervous about the moment-to-moment management of your body and your bike.
I had a recent "in the zone experience". A couple of weeks ago I won a crit by catching up to a guy who took a flier and pipped him at the line. The whole time I was catching him I was staring at him from behind and saw him fading and struggling and fighting the bike and I knew I would get him. Except, and here is the remarkable part to me, for about 1/2 second in the middle of the chase, I lost focus, I felt the lactic acid in my legs burning, I feared I was about to get swarmed, and I took a look behind me...but then I got back to chasing and again felt no fatigue.
The contrast between being in the zone, and not, was stark.
I wish I were able to have better mental control about getting into the zone.