Originally Posted by skanking biker

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to me there seems to be a difference between the notion that cyclists should have the same rights as other vehicles and follow the same rules, versus the notion that one should always ride a bike on the road like one is driving an automobile.

I agree with the first propositiojn but not the second because the second ignores the physical fact that bikes are NOT the same an automobiles in a number of areas: speed, mass, visibility, etc. In some circumstances the physical differences between the two vehicles necessitates different forms of action.