Don't freak, Eek. I just meant EXTREME twisting and leverage. I know what you mean about the jar thing, though. Usually it's something more valuable than a jar. We manly men are afraid to force something and destroy it with our overwhelming strength. The the wife grabs it, saying "Give me that!" and it comes right open with a little more effort. Go figure.
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