Originally Posted by John Forester

Well, yes, some people have been cycling in the vehicular manner since the beginning of cycling, or at least since the formal organization of traffic. And you imply that you do it. I suppose, however, that you had not noticed that societal policy and governmental policy and practice are opposed to vehicular cycling. That means that vehicular cycling needs to be defended. And you complain that we present a rather condescending attitude. Of course we do, because obeying the rules of the road is obviously the right thing to do and because the opposition to vehicular cycling is based on nothing but superstition, initially generated by the motoring establishment for the convenience of motorists. If the opposition to vehicular cycling had ever put up arguments based on facts and advanced by reason, there would be something to discuss. However, that has not occurred, yet the opposition still exists and is as argumentative as ever. Condescension? You deserve no more, and maybe worse.