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Old 06-26-07, 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Kraeuterbutter
for fast charging batteries..

they are not hear in 5 or 10years..
they are already here for 1 year now !
iam a rc-heli-pilot, and we use this kind of batts for 1 year now..

charging:
i normaly charge with 4C (= 4times the current than the capacity of the battery)
charged this way, the cells are full after around 14-16min

friends are using homebuild charger with up to 10-11C charging current.
they fill the batteries up to 90% of there capacity in 4min 30sec. !

a batterypack for a e-bike (36V, 10Ah) would need about
1680Watt of Power when you want to charge it in 15min
with the looses of the charger (charger-efficience) let us say: less than 2000Watt


2000Watt -> there are hairdryers and vacuum cleaners with that power
so it should work with any 230V/110V supply

i think after a 20+ miles ride a stop of 14min would be ok..
charging only 5min would still be enough to go for some further 10miles

so: the batteries are here, and we use them..
another benefit: they are VERY robust (electrically)
we have managed to get 1000cycles out of this batteries, at high charge-conditions..
at same conditions (but lower charge-current) out
NiMh cells seldom get over 200cycles, more like 100-150cycles
and Lipos also see seldom the 200cycles mark...

at same condition we can make OVER 1000cycles (with an 20% capacity loose) with this A123 Fepo4 cells (tested !!, not only advertisment from manufactor)

so fast charging is not a unfullfilled wish.. its already here and buyable by everyone since 1 year

for lifetime: the manufactor (we are not able to test THAT) says: batterylife/calenderlife:
more than 10years
(batterymanufactor say 4-6years for most NiMh and 2-3years for LiPos)
Kokam lipo batteries have taken RC abuse for a few years with good results.Some ebikers have also had great results with them as well as record setting electric battery cars.Yes the technology IS here NOW! It might take some volume pruchase power to get the ebike packs made at a much better price.1000 Kokam packs would cost about one half the price per watt hour than RC packs right now. Before any ebike manufacture gets to the point of including larger lipo packs with a complete ebike they would need to make lighter more efficient motors to get the best use of these lipo batteries.Otherwise wasting battery power would be a shame in the pocket book.I discussed this with Michale Jones ( the founder of Phoenix Motorcars) at a meeting in Lahaina Yacht Club a few years ago about him getting rid of his heavy Advanced DC motors and going brushless as well as going with Kokams. Looks like he did just that.
http://www.kokam.com/english/custom/...sch=&key=&no=1

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