dude. give it up. there is no 'creating a straw man' - should barry have just said the "A&S forum?" would you have been copacetic with that, grumpy?
vehicular cyclists do not have to ride the most direct route, can choose more mellow routes, and some vehicular cyclists are uncomfortable on some routes to the point of avoidance.
Last edited by Bekologist; 08-04-07 at 12:40 AM.