I agree - while the brakes are pretty good now, I still find that the I have to pull them quite far to get full power. With my old vee-brake set-up, I had them nicely set to come on hard with very little lever movement. I knew there would be some trade-off & I specifically wanted the mech discs for traffic duty - I live in a wet climate & the road grim eats through rims pretty fast. I also ride a free-ride bike with hyd discs which are awesome & come on hard with just the slightest movement - so I am a bit spoiled. I think the roadie's have some work to do to catch-up. But, as I said, I did want mech discs for their simplicity for normal riding - so I have to accept the downside.