update....the cyclones do not work well in rainy weather...if you plan on getting you hands wet the fact is you're going to have to go with something like the amfibs....I rode to work this morning, it was raining and my gloves were soaked after only maybe 1 mile. Pissed me off pretty bad too. Oh well just letting you all know! They cyclones are great for dry weather...I think I might look into the "shell" that PI makes.