I pack ultralite. I traveled with my man six weeks all over Europe. We pack very lite and do not like wind drag. You have to carry your bike up and down stairs and panniers must come off is the bike car is crowded. if you take a train. No panniers for us and garbage bags for rain covers. Cheap and easy to get over your gear when the rains come. This is his Giant Lite Tour, fully loaded for camping those six weeks. My Fuji Fold made by Redloff was being used to dry my laundry while in Belgium.