I have them both, on different bikes. Both good tires, less milage on the Apples then the supremes. The supremes seem to roll better at 60ish lbs while the apples like 45ish, I hit the scales at 210. The profile of the supremes comes to more of a crown, while the apples are a bit rounder and seem to perform a bit better in the cush mode. I have not had much wet experience, unfortunately we do not get much rain here (another brush fire up the road as I type). I now have the supremes on my xtracycle and they are fairly fast rolling, while I have the apples on our tandem. Both corner well, and are comperable enough that I could swithch them back and forth once I get the pressures dialed in. The supremes have held up very well, we will see with the apples.