Originally Posted by chipcom

Oh freakin please. I DID grow up here and I have been riding all of those 'dangerous' roads my whole life. If I waited around for transportation engineers to provide alternatives to those roads to get me where I want to go, I'd have 4 days of cycling experience rather than 4 decades.

We deal with reality sir, because you Utopians have thus far failed to deliver Utopia and we got places to go, things to do and people to see.