Surly frames, all they have going for them is they are inexpensive and the Name
Being inexpensive IS a big deal. But there's more than brand name. In fact, I couldn't stand the Surly hype myself but the complete bike hit a sweet spot. A lot of bikes had one or two points against like gearing that's too high, chainstays too shorts, tire clearance too tight, or lower components for more money. It's doesn't make them inadequate but the LHT gathers to a bigger pool for a decent price. Plus the decals peel off easily so there's no brand to advertise.
