thanks again i will keep all that you say in mind when i look at this tommorow. i just got a reply from mr hovey and he said that corsa and strada models were made in middle eighties and have braze on cable guides. he also said the masi bits part of his webisite will help so.... i will print out what you guys have said and what infor i have from hovey and get some pics to post if and probably when i pick it up tomorrow cheers