Originally Posted by Panthers007

One caveat: These tools won't work with aluminum or carbon frame/forks. And on some steel forks, like a Motobecane (old one - real one), they won't fit.

I have the Cyclus ones of these tools, which work great:

http://www.biketoolsetc.com/index.cg...item_id=CU-011

So go talk to your LBS about it.