Originally Posted by
John Forester
Don't be such a blatant liar. Me, creating American club cycling? That group had to exist for me to observe it.
You're being pointlessly abusive and immature. You said
Club cyclists in the years of Kaplan's study were largely vehicular cyclists, based on my hundreds of hours of experience with them
I know several people who prefer, for instance, Robert Hurst's more pragmatic approach and who insist that sometimes behaving in a non vehicular manner is bloody useful in city traffic - eg positioning aggressively at lights, executing manoeuvres like the messengers hook. So genec was correct to ask
How are vehicular cyclists created today... in your reply above you essentially created the control group and then determined that they were correct by your metrics alone
And, unless you are
very stupid indeed, you know that he meant something like "JF defined the group of vehicular cyclists at whim and by prejudice and simply identified their success with his methods". Not that you invented club cycling!