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Prostate issue...need saddle advice.
I had a high PSA reading this Spring on a Prostate exam. The doctors have told me to stay off of my bike! Needless to say...I don't like that advice! I'm used to riding an average of 1,500 to 2,000 miles during the riding season in Ohio. I've reluctantly obeyed the doctors advice, but I miss my bike! Does anyone out there have any advice on an alternate style saddle that would relieve the pressure off of the Nether Region which in turn should relieve pressure off of the prostate gland. I have been using a Brooks B-17 for several years now, and find it to be comfortable. I know there are some "new" saddle designs out there, and wonder if anyone has tried a saddle out of the ordinary due to similar Nether Region problems. All comments/suggestions are very welcome.
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There are many good saddles for prostate relief and I hope that you get some qualified answer from members here that went through what you are. In the meantime, listen to your doctor or get a second opinion.
I was having numbness issues, but a relief saddle fixed that for me.
I was having numbness issues, but a relief saddle fixed that for me.
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I had a high PSA reading this Spring on a Prostate exam. The doctors have told me to stay off of my bike! Needless to say...I don't like that advice! I'm used to riding an average of 1,500 to 2,000 miles during the riding season in Ohio. I've reluctantly obeyed the doctors advice, but I miss my bike! Does anyone out there have any advice on an alternate style saddle that would relieve the pressure off of the Nether Region which in turn should relieve pressure off of the prostate gland. I have been using a Brooks B-17 for several years now, and find it to be comfortable. I know there are some "new" saddle designs out there, and wonder if anyone has tried a saddle out of the ordinary due to similar Nether Region problems. All comments/suggestions are very welcome.
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Prostate is within your Pelvis
Dr put a finger up your anus to touch it as a Basic swelling diagnosis technique .
Prostate is within your Pelvis
Dr put a finger up your anus to touch it as a Basic swelling diagnosis technique .
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I had prostatitis for 18 months and I tried a Specialized Avatar with cutout which didn't work. Then I tried a Spongy Wonder noseless saddle which also didn't work. When I say didn't work, I mean that the pain was exasperated after I rode. That doesn't mean you shouldn't try it. Not riding my bike for a year and a half was difficult and I gained 25+ pounds.
After a year I started to look at trikes but eventually I got better and I didn't have to go that route.
My problem is different than yours so take what I write with a grain of salt. My PSA was not high but I had plenty of pain everyday. It still hurts but not as much and I don't ride everyday but at least I can ride when I want.
Good luck.
After a year I started to look at trikes but eventually I got better and I didn't have to go that route.
My problem is different than yours so take what I write with a grain of salt. My PSA was not high but I had plenty of pain everyday. It still hurts but not as much and I don't ride everyday but at least I can ride when I want.
Good luck.
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A high PSA reading might not be from anything other than irritation; HOWEVER, there could be very well be more to it.
FYI---Types of PSA Test
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The Selle Italia SLR superflow did wonders for problems I was having with numbness. Wider cutout that most similar styles. (Much less expensive from UK retailers.)
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I had a high PSA reading this Spring on a Prostate exam. The doctors have told me to stay off of my bike! Needless to say...I don't like that advice! I'm used to riding an average of 1,500 to 2,000 miles during the riding season in Ohio. I've reluctantly obeyed the doctors advice, but I miss my bike! Does anyone out there have any advice on an alternate style saddle that would relieve the pressure off of the Nether Region which in turn should relieve pressure off of the prostate gland. I have been using a Brooks B-17 for several years now, and find it to be comfortable. I know there are some "new" saddle designs out there, and wonder if anyone has tried a saddle out of the ordinary due to similar Nether Region problems. All comments/suggestions are very welcome.
Before you get too panicky, I can relate to you my experience:
In June of last year my PSA suddenly spiked from my normal 2.3/2.4 to 4.8. The 4.8 in of itself is not that terrible, the concern is the large jump. The urologist suggested a re-test in 1 month. He did say that cycling could cause an irritation of the prostate. So for 5 days prior to the re-test I stayed off of the bike and, wala, a PSA of 2.4.
Then 6 months later, and this past June I went through the same routine and sure enough, the PSA is at 2.4.
So, assuming your doctor will prescribe a retesting, stay off of the bike for 4 or 5 days prior to the test and see what happens. We're all different and our bodies react differently, so while to many cycling has no effect on them in terms of the nether regions, it does to others.
I trust this helps.
Good luck and best regards
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........Before you get too panicky, I can relate to you my experience:
In June of last year my PSA suddenly spiked from my normal 2.3/2.4 to 4.8. The 4.8 in of itself is not that terrible, the concern is the large jump. The urologist suggested a re-test in 1 month. He did say that cycling could cause an irritation of the prostate...........
In June of last year my PSA suddenly spiked from my normal 2.3/2.4 to 4.8. The 4.8 in of itself is not that terrible, the concern is the large jump. The urologist suggested a re-test in 1 month. He did say that cycling could cause an irritation of the prostate...........
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I watched a television program about urological issues with road cyclists and it was not specifically about the prostate. The doctor's advice was to relieve the pressure on that area regularly, both by riding upright for a few minutes, and stop for a break. Also 3 long rides a week left too little time for recovery for older men. A good fitting bike and good saddle desing (hole in it) can also help, but it is de the drop bar or low bar ride position that is bad for the blood flow. Interestingly there was also a former pro in this report and he was asked why this wasn't a problem when he was on a bike 6 hours a day, and he said it was a problem, but they got massaged after every ride and the perinneal area wasn't left out. These are pro cyclists and their 'soigneurs', they don't get giggly about serious cycling matters like beeing seated without pain and a normal functioning body off the bike.
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I watched a television program about urological issues with road cyclists and it was not specifically about the prostate. The doctor's advice was to relieve the pressure on that area regularly, both by riding upright for a few minutes, and stop for a break. Also 3 long rides a week left too little time for recovery for older men. A good fitting bike and good saddle desing (hole in it) can also help, but it is de the drop bar or low bar ride position that is bad for the blood flow. Interestingly there was also a former pro in this report and he was asked why this wasn't a problem when he was on a bike 6 hours a day, and he said it was a problem, but they got massaged after every ride and the perinneal area wasn't left out. These are pro cyclists and their 'soigneurs', they don't get giggly about serious cycling matters like beeing seated without pain and a normal functioning body off the bike.
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I ain't a doctor! Let's get that out of the way. However, I am really, really smart. And I have read a lot. And, as an older male, I have had to educate myself about prostate issues. It has not escaped my notice that doctors in general set a very low bar for what constitutes quality of life for most of their patients. Nor is a second opinion always of much use. Doctors are usually more alike than they are different. What people usually experience as a "doctor that gets it" is that the first doctor they saw was a GP or Urologist and the second was an Oncologist or vice versa or whatever. To a hammer most problems look like a nail. To a Urologist, prostate problems look like making life easy for the prostate. Cycling is not the easiest thing for prostates. It might cause an elevated PSA.... and? What? An elevated PSA DOES NOT CAUSE PROSTATE CANCER.
IF cycling is what is causing the elevated PSA in the o.p. it is of no significance whatsoever! If cycling is what is causing the elevated PSA, staying off the bike for as few as four or five days will return the PSA to baseline. A re-test could be done... the results could be enlightening. In the worst case scenario and the PSA did not return to baseline it wouldn't be because cycling in and of itself is to blame! So, no need, IMO to stop or even reduce cycling! It isn't going to change anything or make it any worse (or better).
Ironically, what most experts believe is that a lack of exercise and poor diet are the main contributors to increased prostate cancer risk. Cycling is rarely cited as even a remote cause of prostate cancer. It is, however, a source of exercise. Cycling can cause prostate issues, yes, prostate cancer, no. I used to swear by anatomic saddles but my latest saddle does not have a cut out. It is however, wide and flat and does have a depression where the cut-out would be on an anatomic saddle. I wear padded shorts and take frequent butt breaks on longer rides.
WARNING: Possible TMI. Older American men, especially those without wives and/or girlfriends, neglect their personal plumbing to an unhealthy degree. Doctors readily tell men to stay off the bike, but forget to remind them to stay in the game, flush out the stagnant water in their standpipes with regular applications of attention, manual or otherwise.
IF cycling is what is causing the elevated PSA in the o.p. it is of no significance whatsoever! If cycling is what is causing the elevated PSA, staying off the bike for as few as four or five days will return the PSA to baseline. A re-test could be done... the results could be enlightening. In the worst case scenario and the PSA did not return to baseline it wouldn't be because cycling in and of itself is to blame! So, no need, IMO to stop or even reduce cycling! It isn't going to change anything or make it any worse (or better).
Ironically, what most experts believe is that a lack of exercise and poor diet are the main contributors to increased prostate cancer risk. Cycling is rarely cited as even a remote cause of prostate cancer. It is, however, a source of exercise. Cycling can cause prostate issues, yes, prostate cancer, no. I used to swear by anatomic saddles but my latest saddle does not have a cut out. It is however, wide and flat and does have a depression where the cut-out would be on an anatomic saddle. I wear padded shorts and take frequent butt breaks on longer rides.
WARNING: Possible TMI. Older American men, especially those without wives and/or girlfriends, neglect their personal plumbing to an unhealthy degree. Doctors readily tell men to stay off the bike, but forget to remind them to stay in the game, flush out the stagnant water in their standpipes with regular applications of attention, manual or otherwise.
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I've learned long ago that it's important to challenge doctors. They may not like you for it, but the reality is that patients who don't challenge their doctors don't fare as well as those who force them to rethink and justify their opinions.
People get lazy and sloppy, especially when overworked and trying to do as much as possible in as short a time as possible. Doctors are no exception to this, and if pushed, will admit that they don't have the time to treat patients as well as they would otherwise.
So, in your shoes (and I have been in different context) I'd ask the doctor to explain why he wants you off the bike and exactly what harm he believes riding would cause.
Once you have the facts, you can make an INFORMED decision, about the bike, and the implications of a high PSA.
Other than suggesting you are more active about getting the best and most complete advice, I can't help you since I certainly have less information about your case that you or your doctor.
People get lazy and sloppy, especially when overworked and trying to do as much as possible in as short a time as possible. Doctors are no exception to this, and if pushed, will admit that they don't have the time to treat patients as well as they would otherwise.
So, in your shoes (and I have been in different context) I'd ask the doctor to explain why he wants you off the bike and exactly what harm he believes riding would cause.
Once you have the facts, you can make an INFORMED decision, about the bike, and the implications of a high PSA.
Other than suggesting you are more active about getting the best and most complete advice, I can't help you since I certainly have less information about your case that you or your doctor.
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Test ride a recumbent bike or trike. Your prostate will love it.
Lots of information out there from legitimate (non-anecdotal) sources like
https://www.prostatitis.org/bikeprostate.html
4 Ways Cycling Affects Male Cyclists 'Down There' | Bicycling
Prostate Problems & Cycling | LIVESTRONG.COM
Lots of information out there from legitimate (non-anecdotal) sources like
https://www.prostatitis.org/bikeprostate.html
4 Ways Cycling Affects Male Cyclists 'Down There' | Bicycling
Prostate Problems & Cycling | LIVESTRONG.COM
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If you don't want to follow Vegas' advice and go "bent", look at a Selle SMP Trk saddle; dropped nose, cutout starts within the drop, and goes all the way back.
My saddle time before any numbness set in DOUBLED with this saddle, and the women's version has rescued me in my forced upright position now.
eBay, less than $80 in many cases.
My saddle time before any numbness set in DOUBLED with this saddle, and the women's version has rescued me in my forced upright position now.
eBay, less than $80 in many cases.
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I had a high PSA reading this Spring on a Prostate exam. The doctors have told me to stay off of my bike! Needless to say...I don't like that advice! I'm used to riding an average of 1,500 to 2,000 miles during the riding season in Ohio. I've reluctantly obeyed the doctors advice, but I miss my bike! Does anyone out there have any advice on an alternate style saddle that would relieve the pressure off of the Nether Region which in turn should relieve pressure off of the prostate gland. I have been using a Brooks B-17 for several years now, and find it to be comfortable. I know there are some "new" saddle designs out there, and wonder if anyone has tried a saddle out of the ordinary due to similar Nether Region problems. All comments/suggestions are very welcome.
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Ask a lot of hard questions before implementing a doctor's recommendation. Staying off the bike for a few days prior to the PSA test in an effort to improve it's accuracy is certainly Okay, but giving up an effective exercise regimen to lower the score is ridiculous. Especially given how unreliable PSA scores are to begin with.
Speaking of which, it bears repeating that the agency in charge of making overall recommendations on screening tests now recommends AGAINST PSA testing all together. This should be another indicator not to let the tail wag the dog by giving up something with clear health benefits in the hopes of lowering the score of a dubious screening test.
https://www.uspreventiveservicestask...ncer-screening
I would explore "slotted" saddle options, regardless of PSA scores. Blood restriction with long hours in the saddle is a fact and the new saddles do help to some degree.
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Speaking of which, it bears repeating that the agency in charge of making overall recommendations on screening tests now recommends AGAINST PSA testing all together. This should be another indicator not to let the tail wag the dog by giving up something with clear health benefits in the hopes of lowering the score of a dubious screening test.
https://www.uspreventiveservicestask...ncer-screening
I would explore "slotted" saddle options, regardless of PSA scores. Blood restriction with long hours in the saddle is a fact and the new saddles do help to some degree.
- Mark
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Hi Miyata,
Before you get too panicky, I can relate to you my experience:
In June of last year my PSA suddenly spiked from my normal 2.3/2.4 to 4.8. The 4.8 in of itself is not that terrible, the concern is the large jump. The urologist suggested a re-test in 1 month. He did say that cycling could cause an irritation of the prostate. So for 5 days prior to the re-test I stayed off of the bike and, wala, a PSA of 2.4.
Then 6 months later, and this past June I went through the same routine and sure enough, the PSA is at 2.4.
So, assuming your doctor will prescribe a retesting, stay off of the bike for 4 or 5 days prior to the test and see what happens. We're all different and our bodies react differently, so while to many cycling has no effect on them in terms of the nether regions, it does to others.
I trust this helps.
Good luck and best regards
Before you get too panicky, I can relate to you my experience:
In June of last year my PSA suddenly spiked from my normal 2.3/2.4 to 4.8. The 4.8 in of itself is not that terrible, the concern is the large jump. The urologist suggested a re-test in 1 month. He did say that cycling could cause an irritation of the prostate. So for 5 days prior to the re-test I stayed off of the bike and, wala, a PSA of 2.4.
Then 6 months later, and this past June I went through the same routine and sure enough, the PSA is at 2.4.
So, assuming your doctor will prescribe a retesting, stay off of the bike for 4 or 5 days prior to the test and see what happens. We're all different and our bodies react differently, so while to many cycling has no effect on them in terms of the nether regions, it does to others.
I trust this helps.
Good luck and best regards
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If you don't want to follow Vegas' advice and go "bent", look at a Selle SMP Trk saddle; dropped nose, cutout starts within the drop, and goes all the way back.
My saddle time before any numbness set in DOUBLED with this saddle, and the women's version has rescued me in my forced upright position now.
eBay, less than $80 in many cases.
My saddle time before any numbness set in DOUBLED with this saddle, and the women's version has rescued me in my forced upright position now.
eBay, less than $80 in many cases.
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Okay, but the Mayo Clinic has no final authority in this discussion. They're another opinion. That's my point; this is not a black/white issue and requires a subtle tradeoff between a very slight (at best) reduction in morbidity vs. significant side effects. The Mayo Clinic is not that one that should be making this tradeoff; individuals should and they should have all the data.
I'm glad you're alive but you don't know this and if a doctor has told you this (in these definitive terms) then he is flat-out lying to you, probably to justify an intervention. There is no way to definitively know whether any given case of prostate cancer, even those that doctor's think are "aggressive" would actually cause a premature death. I quote the source above:
"There is adequate evidence that the benefit of PSA screening and early treatment ranges from 0 to 1 prostate cancer deaths avoided per 1000 men screened."
This is what the data says. Might you be the 1 in 1000? Perhaps, there is just no way to know.
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"There is adequate evidence that the benefit of PSA screening and early treatment ranges from 0 to 1 prostate cancer deaths avoided per 1000 men screened."
This is what the data says. Might you be the 1 in 1000? Perhaps, there is just no way to know.
- Mark
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Your PSA is nicely in the "normal" range. That's great! I was just re-tested and my PSA is still in the high 8. 5 range. Not much of a change from the 8.8 result about 6 months ago. I'm going to try the new Brooks C15 Cambium Carved seat to see if I get get some comfort from that style of seat. It's a rubber shell that is supposed to have great "flex" compared to the leather models, so I'm going to try it to get back on my my again. Hope it works. I'll be having another PSA test later in 2017, so I should get some "seat time" to see what that does to the results.
Good luck and best regards
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Okay, but the Mayo Clinic has no final authority in this discussion. They're another opinion. That's my point; this is not a black/white issue and requires a subtle tradeoff between a very slight (at best) reduction in morbidity vs. significant side effects. The Mayo Clinic is not that one that should be making this tradeoff; individuals should and they should have all the data.
I'm glad you're alive but you don't know this and if a doctor has told you this (in these definitive terms) then he is flat-out lying to you, probably to justify an intervention. There is no way to definitively know whether any given case of prostate cancer, even those that doctor's think are "aggressive" would actually cause a premature death. I quote the source above:
"There is adequate evidence that the benefit of PSA screening and early treatment ranges from 0 to 1 prostate cancer deaths avoided per 1000 men screened."
This is what the data says. Might you be the 1 in 1000? Perhaps, there is just no way to know.
- Mark
I'm glad you're alive but you don't know this and if a doctor has told you this (in these definitive terms) then he is flat-out lying to you, probably to justify an intervention. There is no way to definitively know whether any given case of prostate cancer, even those that doctor's think are "aggressive" would actually cause a premature death. I quote the source above:
"There is adequate evidence that the benefit of PSA screening and early treatment ranges from 0 to 1 prostate cancer deaths avoided per 1000 men screened."
This is what the data says. Might you be the 1 in 1000? Perhaps, there is just no way to know.
- Mark
My PSA went from 11 to 14. My PSA was FAR LOWER than many men have. My Gleason Score was 5+5. Can't get ANY HIGHER GLEASON score. The PSA does not prove that one has cancer but it does indicate that an issue may exist. How one proceeds with the information that becomes available is a personal choice. Some men bury their head in the sand and some take active measures. Some like bents, some like diamond frames. What ever floats your boat. Only time will tell if my cancer was caught before it metastasized as it could be the mets that can kill me.
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Reviewing all the available data and deciding that PSA testing is not something you want to do is not "burying their head in the sand." It's actively managing one's personal risk vs. reward tradeoff and making your own decisions rather than relying on doctors and a health-care system that may have a completely different agenda than yours.
- Mark
- Mark