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Old 04-22-15, 07:41 AM   #1
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This guy gets it. Hazards of NYC bike lanes

This segregated crap built in the name of "safety" is nothing but smoke and mirrors.

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we need more protected bike lanes in NYC. the cars park next to the curb. but if you switch out the parking and the bike lanes, the bike lanes get protected by parked cars. it's so much better.
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we need more protected bike lanes in NYC. the cars park next to the curb. but if you switch out the parking and the bike lanes, the bike lanes get protected by parked cars. it's so much better.
Seriously? Did you not see the cars turning across his path after he got out from behind the parked cars?

Cycling between parked cars and the curb is a death wish.
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I get what this cyclist is "driving" at, but he exhibits some very poor "Urban Cycling Survival" skills.
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I get what this cyclist is "driving" at, but he exhibits some very poor "Urban Cycling Survival" skills.
What skills do you refer to specifically?
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This segregated crap built in the name of "safety" is nothing but smoke and mirrors.
Thank Goodness there are no hazards or safety issues for NYC bike riders who "get it" and do not use bike lanes.

Is it true that prior to the introduction of bike lanes in NYC, bike riders never had any safety issues with turning traffic, car doors opening, pedestrians, manhole covers, lane obstructions, double parked cars, etc?
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Yes, we all know nothing is perfect, but most also recognize why a few are threatened by infrastructure that improves cycling for the average person.
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We are trying to get 4' wide bike lanes here (that doesn't include the gutter). The crotch point of view kinda weirds me out
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I think the problem here is assuming NYC has "nailed it" when it comes to bike lanes.
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I've been biking in NYC for a few years now.
Before a mile of bike lane was installed; and
up to now that a few paths have been created.

There were some riders at the time when bike
lanes didn't exist. But the numbers of cyclist
exploded after they came into being. If bike
lanes are what it takes to get people on bikes;
then I'm all for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0slP...6zPoymgKaIoDLA
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Seriously? Did you not see the cars turning across his path after he got out from behind the parked cars?

Cycling between parked cars and the curb is a death wish.
you clearly didn't read what i wrote. if he's weaving in and out of parked cars, well, that's just idiocy, plain and simple.

painting a bike lane right next to a motorist moving lane doesn't help. putting in parking or an actual buffer (curb) there, any physical barrier, really - this would help. it's already helped on 8th ave and other major avenues in NYC.

creating infrastructure that everyone can use easily is the solution. making Broadway primarily a pedestrian plaza was long overdue. there needs to be more transformation to this end. NYC is walking city, not a car city. the infrastructure needs to reflect that. it's happening, but slowly.
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Guy needs a belt drive to improve quality of audio.

Longish video - doesn't say much. If you live here and decide to cycle you realize a few things:

1. Be attentive and slower speeds help.
2. It's better than nothing.
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I've been biking in NYC for a few years now.
Before a mile of bike lane was installed; and
up to now that a few paths have been created.

There were some riders at the time when bike
lanes didn't exist. But the numbers of cyclist
exploded after they came into being. If bike
lanes are what it takes to get people on bikes;
then I'm all for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0slP...6zPoymgKaIoDLA
What is with the French music?
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The video does show problems with the bike lanes that are between the curb and the lane of parked cars. I agree with him. They have necessitated separate signals which make everyone wait longer. They help motorists forget the existence of the bike lane, making them more prone to turn into the bike lane without looking.

On the other hand, even with these flaws, I give NYC a lot of credit for all it has done. It has put bike lanes or sharrows on nearly every street I have seen. They clearly are inviting people to cycle. And many people have accepted the invitation.

A lot of the videographer's complaints are problems that arise from simply being in NYC. These are problems that have no obvious solutions. Conditions are always going to be far from perfect. Trucks making deliveries need access to the businesses, and they have to park illegally. I believe there is a legal term called reasonable access, and we have to tolerate the inconvenience. I don't think it does any good to bicker and bellow about how they are blocking the bike lane. Life is tough, and New Yorkers are tough. We typically have more irritating things happen in a day than many suburbanites have happen in a week or a month. We learn to raise our eyebrows and move on and forget all of these things. I couldn't even write down all the things that happen in a day that would have other people blowing their tops. There is nothing that can be done. To understand New York, you have to understand this.
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What is with the French music?
I just liked how it sounded. I don't speak french; hope they're not cursing
or talking about hurting kittens.

Ok, let's try again. Here's another NYC commute of mine; this time with
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jkf...IoDLA&index=89
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Without living in NYC, but having delivered cars in Bronx and Queens, I have to echo no-glider. I can't say I've ever been harassed by any one while unloading. I'm 75 fricken feet long. Someone will likely get their shop blocked until I'm done. As long as they see me hustling ad not dawdling, it's all good.

Also, it would seem NYC is working toward less cars. There will always be some conflict during transition. If they get anywhere near half the cars they have now, Cheers.

Watch the london cycling videos. Pretty similar.

In the meantime, dear videographer: Manhole covers? Really?
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It's not a perfect system, but pedestrians are going to step out in front of you no matter what, cars are going to turn, etc. The main problem here is this guy does not seem to have a sense of how to ride in a city. Cars are turning ahead of him, which he can see, and he doesn't slow down to enter the intersection? You don't just get to barrel into an intersection. You have to look. And manhole covers? Come on.
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Agreed, @lostarchitect. He is not a good person to put our streets into perspective. Give us Casey Neistat.

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I just liked how it sounded. I don't speak french; hope they're not cursing
or talking about hurting kittens.

Ok, let's try again. Here's another NYC commute of mine; this time with
english soundtacks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jkf...IoDLA&index=89
Liked the French track better. Made the blood pressure rise from the closeness of buses more bearable.

Are those bike ... taxi? things common?
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Are those bike ... taxi? things common?
You see them in touristy areas only. Locals don't use them. They are absurdly expensive as well.
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I loved the foot out at 3:30 to try to protect himself from the left turning taxi, if that is how he protects himself from being hooked then he really needs some sense pounded into him.
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You see them in touristy areas only. Locals don't use them. They are absurdly expensive as well.
Better than horses!

Fascinating videos. Thanks for the shares.

I'll come visit NYC if/when they ever bother finishing the train out here to there. I've driven in the Burgh and Cleveland and Charlotte and the NYC traffic just looks less fun than even Pittsburgh's insane street system. Maybe by then they'll have better bike lanes. Heh. Ain't doing bus skims. No sir.
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I never thought manhole covers were much a hazard.....swerving to miss them is a bit risky.

I have the utmost respect for any cyclist who has to deal with riding under those conditions and admiration for those who do so with enjoyment.
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.....Is it true that prior to the introduction of bike lanes in NYC, bike riders never had any safety issues with turning traffic, car doors opening, pedestrians, manhole covers, lane obstructions, double parked cars, etc?....
Of course it isn't true, and there have always been risks. But I agree with the person who shot the video, that riding in mixed traffic was faster and safer all things considered. When I take the bike into NYC, I seek out and ride on those avenues without bike lanes (we have must use laws in NYS). This lets me better anticipate turning traffic which has always been the greater hazard than passing traffic.
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Of course it isn't true, and there have always been risks. But I agree with the person who shot the video, that riding in mixed traffic was faster and safer all things considered. When I take the bike into NYC, I seek out and ride on those avenues without bike lanes (we have must use laws in NYS). This lets me better anticipate turning traffic which has always been the greater hazard than passing traffic.
From the observation of others, rather than personal opinion, how well do those bike lanes serve the non enthusiast/citybike cyclist?
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