Another cyclist killed with impunity
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60 MPH on gravel is pretty much standard here. If I drop speed when I get to gravel when driving, I have people all up in my business trying to pass. I prefer to go about 40 on gravel in a car, much faster than that and a little unexpected washboard means you're basically a puck on an air hockey table, just along for the ride, but people won't slow.
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Nebraska statute 60-6,133 (3) states that "The driver of a vehicle overtaking a bicycle or electric personal assistive mobility device proceeding in the same direction shall exercise due care, which shall include, but not be limited to, leaving a safe distance of no less than three feet clearance, when applicable, when passing a bicycle or electric personal assistive mobility device and shall maintain such clearance until safely past the overtaken bicycle or electric personal assistive mobility device."
Yes, it is a tragic event for the cyclist and for the elderly woman that killed him. But I think many are getting worked up because of the County Attorney's perceived "blame the victim" viewpoint. It is ironic that he spoke to "other drivers" that declared they had "not seen the cyclist" all the time and "everyone knew he was gonna be hit one day". So every driver in this tiny rural area was apparently aware of this cyclist being out on the roads, and knew of him because of the unusual shape of his vehicle and probably his 8 foot flag, and yet when someone turns him into roadkill the attitude is he deserved it and lets just move on.
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......Yes, it is a tragic event for the cyclist and for the elderly woman that killed him. But I think many are getting worked up because of the County Attorney's perceived "blame the victim" viewpoint. It is ironic that he spoke to "other drivers" that declared they had "not seen the cyclist" all the time and "everyone knew he was gonna be hit one day". So every driver in this tiny rural area was apparently aware of this cyclist being out on the roads, and knew of him because of the unusual shape of his vehicle and probably his 8 foot flag, and yet when someone turns him into roadkill the attitude is he deserved it and lets just move on.
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But I think many are getting worked up because of the County Attorney's perceived "blame the victim" viewpoint. It is ironic that he spoke to "other drivers" that declared they had "not seen the cyclist" all the time and "everyone knew he was gonna be hit one day". So every driver in this tiny rural area was apparently aware of this cyclist being out on the roads, and knew of him because of the unusual shape of his vehicle and probably his 8 foot flag, and yet when someone turns him into roadkill the attitude is he deserved it and lets just move on.
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Old pic; they've done away with day/night split limits. Also, generally a 70-75mph two-lane road will have enough shoulder to pull entirely out of the driving lane while still on improved surface. This and the ones with the fog line actually partly in the grass usually top out at 65mph unless they're truly in the middle of nowhere and dead straight. Can't speak for non-interstates in far west Texas where the 80-85mph highways are, since I was just passing through most of that on the main roads. (Though zipping past a state trooper at 80mph still feels weird.)
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I live about 60 miles from the accident and took pictures of the crash site on May 1st. According to historical weather reports, the weather was the same on the day of the accident as the day I took the pictures and I took them around the same time of day. One view is placing my trike, with flag, on the highway to show it's visibility. The other is from a quarter mile away with an arrow (and oncoming car) to show the visibility the woman had from that distance as she approached. I have sent these to the Otoe County Attorney and have asked, due to the high visibility of the cyclist, if he has or will be having her visual acuity examined. I also obtained the accident report and it states the impact of her vehicle threw the victim 30 feet to the right of the road into a ditch, so I assume she was moving at a high rate of speed with no attempt to slow down. There were no skid marks, but with anti-lock brakes these days, there might not have been.
I am concerned that the attorney based his decision on statements from other drivers who were not at the scene of the accident, but had encountered the victim on possibly different roads and different vehicles under different weather conditions.
I am concerned that the attorney based his decision on statements from other drivers who were not at the scene of the accident, but had encountered the victim on possibly different roads and different vehicles under different weather conditions.
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I live about 60 miles from the accident and took pictures of the crash site on May 1st. According to historical weather reports, the weather was the same on the day of the accident as the day I took the pictures and I took them around the same time of day. One view is placing my trike, with flag, on the highway to show it's visibility. The other is from a quarter mile away with an arrow (and oncoming car) to show the visibility the woman had from that distance as she approached. I have sent these to the Otoe County Attorney and have asked, due to the high visibility of the cyclist, if he has or will be having her visual acuity examined. I also obtained the accident report and it states the impact of her vehicle threw the victim 30 feet to the right of the road into a ditch, so I assume she was moving at a high rate of speed with no attempt to slow down. There were no skid marks, but with anti-lock brakes these days, there might not have been.
I am concerned that the attorney based his decision on statements from other drivers who were not at the scene of the accident, but had encountered the victim on possibly different roads and different vehicles under different weather conditions.
I am concerned that the attorney based his decision on statements from other drivers who were not at the scene of the accident, but had encountered the victim on possibly different roads and different vehicles under different weather conditions.
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what if the driver hit a pedestrian? a smaller harder to see target?
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Doesn't need to be bike lanes. How 'bout just a 2-3' shoulder, ala Complete Streets?
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I live about 60 miles from the accident and took pictures of the crash site on May 1st. According to historical weather reports, the weather was the same on the day of the accident as the day I took the pictures and I took them around the same time of day. One view is placing my trike, with flag, on the highway to show it's visibility. The other is from a quarter mile away with an arrow (and oncoming car) to show the visibility the woman had from that distance as she approached. I have sent these to the Otoe County Attorney and have asked, due to the high visibility of the cyclist, if he has or will be having her visual acuity examined. I also obtained the accident report and it states the impact of her vehicle threw the victim 30 feet to the right of the road into a ditch, so I assume she was moving at a high rate of speed with no attempt to slow down. There were no skid marks, but with anti-lock brakes these days, there might not have been.
I am concerned that the attorney based his decision on statements from other drivers who were not at the scene of the accident, but had encountered the victim on possibly different roads and different vehicles under different weather conditions.
I am concerned that the attorney based his decision on statements from other drivers who were not at the scene of the accident, but had encountered the victim on possibly different roads and different vehicles under different weather conditions.
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So the driver is looking down the road, decides it is wide open (doesn't see a thing) and then proceeds to text... at 60MPH, the driver is moving at 88 feet per second... a quarter mile is 1320 feet... which at 60 MPH is covered in 15 seconds. If the driver looked up, in say 10 seconds... There is now 440 feet to the cyclist... or less than 5 seconds time for the driver to mentally shift from texting mode to realize there is something in front of the vehicle... to understand there is something in front of the vehicle and to go into evasive action mode.
No brake marks, no other signs of a need to swerve... 5 seconds to figure it out... And that is at 60MPH...
Anyway, that's my speculation.
Disclaimer: I wasn't there, I don't know what happened, I am just guessing.
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Believe it or not, your quarter mile away pic says it all... to my eyes, there is nothing there.
So the driver is looking down the road, decides it is wide open (doesn't see a thing) and then proceeds to text... at 60MPH, the driver is moving at 88 feet per second... a quarter mile is 1320 feet... which at 60 MPH is covered in 15 seconds. If the driver looked up, in say 10 seconds... There is now 440 feet to the cyclist... or less than 5 seconds time for the driver to mentally shift from texting mode to realize there is something in front of the vehicle... to understand there is something in front of the vehicle and to go into evasive action mode.
No brake marks, no other signs of a need to swerve... 5 seconds to figure it out... And that is at 60MPH...
Anyway, that's my speculation.
Disclaimer: I wasn't there, I don't know what happened, I am just guessing.
So the driver is looking down the road, decides it is wide open (doesn't see a thing) and then proceeds to text... at 60MPH, the driver is moving at 88 feet per second... a quarter mile is 1320 feet... which at 60 MPH is covered in 15 seconds. If the driver looked up, in say 10 seconds... There is now 440 feet to the cyclist... or less than 5 seconds time for the driver to mentally shift from texting mode to realize there is something in front of the vehicle... to understand there is something in front of the vehicle and to go into evasive action mode.
No brake marks, no other signs of a need to swerve... 5 seconds to figure it out... And that is at 60MPH...
Anyway, that's my speculation.
Disclaimer: I wasn't there, I don't know what happened, I am just guessing.
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How so? What is the definition of "negligent" driving in that state? How does it differ from existing laws, if any, regarding "distracted" driving?
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You must be a lawyer to split hairs like that. No matter what you call it in that case stated, the driver would be doing somethng wrong, and it ended up with a person dead.
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Not a lawyer, but too many technical legal terms are thrown around here in a general sense. And the "split hairs" differences matter greatly when considering charges and punitive measures.
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Yup, but the problem is that few police departments will pull a warrant to check the phone records, and instead just consider the cyclist "in the wrong" for riding a bike on high speed roadways. Even if phone records are pulled, and unless there was a text actually sent or received moments before the collision, then the driver can just say... "I didn't see the cyclist...." and that is enough.
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Doesn't need to be bike lanes. How 'bout just a 2-3' shoulder, ala Complete Streets?
The notion of wide shoulders was shot down instantly... home owners didn't want to pay for it and instead just chose to complain about cyclists "using their roads."
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Doesn't need to be bike lanes. How 'bout just a 2-3' shoulder, ala Complete Streets?
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Yup, but the problem is that few police departments will pull a warrant to check the phone records, and instead just consider the cyclist "in the wrong" for riding a bike on high speed roadways. Even if phone records are pulled, and unless there was a text actually sent or received moments before the collision, then the driver can just say... "I didn't see the cyclist...." and that is enough.