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Old 05-23-15, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by CrankyOne
Cars are no particular danger to cyclists?
What I said was that I saw no particular danger to a cyclist riding on THAT street. The cars I saw going by were not going very much faster than a cyclist would ride.
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Originally Posted by jeichelberg87
It is called a side WALK for a reason...You are to be WALKING on it, not RIDING on it, Copernicus...
And we should park on parkways and drive on driveways and make hamburgers from ham. :-) For that matter, why invest money with someone called a broker?

And just to be pedantic for a bit. In the U.K. where the video above was made the incident happened on 'a pavement'.

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Just to say riding on sidewalks is dangerous for pedestrians, ignore the differences of sidewalks in different area's . To ride on the side walks in busy downtowns is mostly illegal and dangerous. To ride on sidewalks in suburban Detroit is normal and the access to sidewalks in that area was designed for bikes( long before the American Disabilty act). So to blanket say riding on sidewalks is dangerous and illegal is wrong. In some areas like where i grew up it is the norm. I am 61 when I was a kid if you got caught riding in the street by the police, they wrote you a citation you needed to get signed by your parents and turn it in.

It goes without saying that riding fast on sidewalks is dangerous, I ride sidewalks all the time and you have to go slower of course, walking speed no, you dont have to ride that slow, you ride with common sense.

Persons who only relate sidewalk riding to their own narrow experience need to open thier minds. IN Europe they have bike lanes everywhere, in most of Suburban America their is none. To compare Suburban America to most of Europe is silly, it is way different.
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Here's my take on it, and talk crap all you want. I'm not a keyboard warrior, I mean what I say. An accident is an accident, and I've had similar happen to my oldest daughter when she was little. I was mad, the bicyclist hit my child. The biker GOT OFF THE BIKE, CAME OVER, AND APOLOGIZED!!! All was good, I got my daughter checked out, and she recovered from her cuts & scrapes. This bicyclist instead cursed at the parents who didn't even ATTEMPT to scold him. In this instance I'd HAVE BEAT HIS A##!!!

There are times when riding on the sidewalk can mean your life or death. I've ridden on the sidewalk myself. But slow speed or WALKING when in a residential neighborhood are not courtesies. They are REQUIRED! Children get killed by cars more than anything,... So some will be so stupid as to say it's OK to ride on the sidewalk because more kids don't die that way? Get real,...that's a selfish attitude. Are you an adult, or another spoiled child. I have 4 kids, 3 adults. I've "been there" and "done that". Grow the hell up and realize how some of you sound. Selfish,... Pathetic!
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Originally Posted by CrankyOne
Do you have a reference for this. I can't find it anywhere.
I got the locale wrong, of the story I remembered.
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This story, indirectly, reminds me of something that happened yesterday. I was on a 25mph four-lane divided road. When a jaywalker started crossing the road as I was approaching. They suddenly stopped in the road, in the lane I was in. I was thinking, 'What if I had been driving a car, would they still be that stupid?'.
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Originally Posted by tds101
Here's my take on it, and talk crap all you want. I'm not a keyboard warrior, I mean what I say. An accident is an accident, and I've had similar happen to my oldest daughter when she was little. I was mad, the bicyclist hit my child. The biker GOT OFF THE BIKE, CAME OVER, AND APOLOGIZED!!! All was good, I got my daughter checked out, and she recovered from her cuts & scrapes. This bicyclist instead cursed at the parents who didn't even ATTEMPT to scold him. In this instance I'd HAVE BEAT HIS A##!!!

There are times when riding on the sidewalk can mean your life or death. I've ridden on the sidewalk myself. But slow speed or WALKING when in a residential neighborhood are not courtesies. They are REQUIRED! Children get killed by cars more than anything,... So some will be so stupid as to say it's OK to ride on the sidewalk because more kids don't die that way? Get real,...that's a selfish attitude. Are you an adult, or another spoiled child. I have 4 kids, 3 adults. I've "been there" and "done that". Grow the hell up and realize how some of you sound. Selfish,... Pathetic!
I couldn't agree more. I just went back and watched the video again. What I saw was a young child following her mother out to their car. Interestingly, at the very moment that cyclist hit the child, there was a car passing by in the street going in the same direction as the cyclist. They were both moving at almost the same speed. Any cyclist who rides at speeds like that on a high density residential street where someone could be walking out their front path is an idiot.
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Originally Posted by dynodonn
Children do not know that they cannot run in the road unless they are taught, and even then, that is no guarantee that they will not still run in the road, since I've personally seen this happen numerous times over the years, plus the child could have been easily hit by another child riding a bicycle on the sidewalk. What I saw in the video was a careless cyclist, and two equally complacent parents letting their young toddler run around outside with minimal control.
Complacent parents? Are you kidding? All that was happening was that a child was following her mother out to their car. There was NO carelessness on the part of the mother, she walked ahead to open the car door so her little girl could get in.
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Originally Posted by alcjphil
I couldn't agree more. I just went back and watched the video again. What I saw was a young child following her mother out to their car. Interestingly, at the very moment that cyclist hit the child, there was a car passing by in the street going in the same direction as the cyclist. They were both moving at almost the same speed. Any cyclist who rides at speeds like that on a high density residential street where someone could be walking out their front path is an idiot.
Thank you!!! The cyclist was a jackass!!!

Originally Posted by alcjphil
Complacent parents? Are you kidding? All that was happening was that a child was following her mother out to their car. There was NO carelessness on the part of the mother, she walked ahead to open the car door so her little girl could get in.
A child is SUPPOSED to be able to run ON THE SIDEWALK CAREFREE!!! And escorting a child to a car isn't supposed to get them almost mangled. ON POINT!!!
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Yes side"walks" should be for pedestrians walking and the roads are for cars and cyclists. Which is why they say we are to follow the same rules as cars.

I always think it's funny when cars yell at me and tell me to get on the side"walk".

In my mind... it's a side "walk". Not a side "ride".

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+ 1 to all those who say the cyclist is an inconsiderate jackass. (that's being polite).

This isn't about riding on sidewalks or not, it's about acting reasonably, which the cyclist clearly isn't. Any justifications to excuse him, or somehow blame parents for letting their child walk or run out of their gate onto a sidewalk are totally misplaced, and could only be the products of a cyclist group think attitude.

I'm not interested why the cyclist was on the sidewalk, nor why anybody else thinks it's OK or not, because IMO it isn't about that. It's about acting reasonably based on where you're riding, and accepting responsibility if things go badly.
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Originally Posted by kevmk81
Sad indeed. People that push their agendas on here that cycling on sidewalks is the correct thing to do, are usually the ones that think bicycles don't belong on the road.
I ride in the road quite a bit but I almost never ride like motorvehicle (a light-weight accessory is not a "vehicle"). If the sidewalk is a legal and more efficient/safer route then I always prefer the sidewalk. I simply cannot understand why anyone would have a problem with this.
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Originally Posted by FBinNY
This isn't about riding on sidewalks or not, it's about acting reasonably, which the cyclist clearly isn't.
Exactly. The cyclist in that video was an idiot but its just as feasible to ride safely on a sidewalk as it is in the road.
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Originally Posted by spare_wheel
I ride in the road quite a bit but I almost never ride like motorvehicle (a light-weight accessory is not a "vehicle"). If the sidewalk is a legal and more efficient/safer route then I always prefer the sidewalk. I simply cannot understand why anyone would have a problem with this.
A bicycle isn't a "light-weight accessory " it is a vehicle. Sidewalks are not always "legal and more efficient/safer" . Learn the law. Learn your rights.Ride responsibly. your attitude isn't helping.It is making things more difficult for responsible, law abiding cyclists
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Originally Posted by spare_wheel
I ride in the road quite a bit but I almost never ride like motorvehicle (a light-weight accessory is not a "vehicle"). If the sidewalk is a legal and more efficient/safer route then I always prefer the sidewalk. I simply cannot understand why anyone would have a problem with this.
A bicycle is ILLEGAL to ride on the sidewalk by an ADULT in most places around the WORLD!!! IT's NOT legal,...and it's not SAFER for the people who are WALKING when someone is riding by them. A sidewalk is for FOOT TRAFFIC,... There are EXCEPTIONS to this rule, but it mostly stands true. The issue is about consideration,...and the way some bicyclists have an attitude of superiority when against people who walk. We're on a MOVING VEHICLE - not a "light-weight accessory". The vehicle is human powered, but it's still a VEHICLE!
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We'll tear down half the buildings in 100+ year old towns to redo the entire road system though. You have to use common sense, and while there are 7 billion versions of it, common denominators remain. We have already determined that the cyclist was grossly negligent and committed a cowardly and criminal act from a lack of maturity, morality and selfish irresponsibility.

The last time road widening was accomplished in my town was in the 1980s and it only removed some parking areas. It was done to the main arterial through the town and only aided the increased flow of car traffic. It's not practical in most of the town because that is residential and the main corridor also has a business zone that was based on 1920s city planning and that section is built out now, which would be catastrophic to the economy of the town to rebuild.

You won't tear down and rebuild most cities and towns. If you build a new one make sure you have those needs and concepts worked into the city plan.

It you want to start a war I will COD the soggy noodles. I would suggest getting out of the house and riding.

We have taken an obvious and tragic topic and made it into a pineapple upside down cake.

I suggest that when any of us sees a problem that we want to post, it is a good start to offer some remedy with it. Too often A&S becomes a spectator sport and a bunch of If I WERE THE PARENT or whatever, I'd mete swift and mighty justice...

If we want that we should rename this forum Walter Mitty and Jerry Lawler Solutions (for daydreaming and punching Andy Kaufman). Fantasies of assault are GARBAGE and not welcome here.

This forum is about solving problems and advocating safety, not REVENGE.

Some of you do not get it and see it as a joke I think.

Save that for some of the Off Topic forums, or keep it off Bike Forums, PLEASE.

I've been trying to point this out for some time and it's been a repeating concern with the staff, to the point where we get warned to straighten up or face restrictions or closing.

We pride ourselves here at Bike Forums for being individuals as well as a strong group but A&S is here for EVERYONE, not just A&S users and not just Bike Forums members...non-members come here for honest and helpful information too. BF is a standard for cycling worldwide and anyone can find it.

Save the nonsense for the sections designed for nonsense. It's expected there.

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Originally Posted by Rollfast
We'll tear down half the buildings in 100+ year old towns to redo the entire road system though. You have to use common sense, and while there are 7 billion versions of it, common denominators remain. We have already determined that the cyclist was grossly negligent and committed a cowardly and criminal act from a lack of maturity, morality and selfish irresponsibility.

The last time road widening was accomplished in my town was in the 1980s and it only removed some parking areas. It was done to the main arterial through the town and only aided the increased flow of car traffic. It's not practical in most of the town because that is residential and the main corridor also has a business zone that was based on 1920s city planning and that section is built out now, which would be catastrophic to the economy of the town to rebuild.

You won't tear down and rebuild most cities and towns. If you build a new one make sure you have those needs and concepts worked into the city plan.

It you want to start a war I will COD the soggy noodles. I would suggest getting out of the house and riding.

We have taken an obvious and tragic topic and made it into a pineapple upside down cake.

I suggest that when any of us sees a problem that we want to post, it is a good start to offer some remedy with it. Too often A&S becomes a spectator sport and a bunch of If I WERE THE PARENT or whatever, I'd mete swift and mighty justice...

If we want that we should rename this forum Walter Mitty and Jerry Lawler Solutions (for daydreaming and punching Andy Kaufman). Fantasies of assault are GARBAGE and not welcome here.

This forum is about solving problems and advocating safety, not REVENGE.

Some of you do not get it and see it as a joke I think.

Save that for some of the Off Topic forums, or keep it off Bike Forums, PLEASE.

I've been trying to point this out for some time and it's been a repeating concern with the staff, to the point where we get warned to straighten up or face restrictions or closing.

We pride ourselves here at Bike Forums for being individuals as well as a strong group but A&S is here for EVERYONE, not just A&S users and not just Bike Forums members...non-members come here for honest and helpful information too. BF is a standard for cycling worldwide and anyone can find it.

Save the nonsense for the sections designed for nonsense. It's expected there.

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Originally Posted by alcjphil
.... Learn your rights. Ride responsibly. your attitude isn't helping. It is making things more difficult for responsible, law abiding cyclists
Originally Posted by tds101
A bicycle is ILLEGAL to ride on the sidewalk by an ADULT in most places around the WORLD!!! IT's NOT legal,........
Before typing ILLEGAL in full caps, you might check the facts. Bicycling on the sidewalk (by adult) is legal in much of the USA. But whether on the road or on the sidewalk, law or no law, roads and sidewalks are shared resources, and need to be used in a way that's mindful of the rights of other users.

Just as I, as a bicyclist, want to be able to ride on a road without being mowed down by a negligent motorists, pedestrians on the sidewalk have the right to be free of worry about themselves or their children getting hit by a negligent bicyclist.

I have no issue with someone riding on the sidewalk, if he does so safely and courteously. IMO it's another example of where "no harm-- no foul" applies.

In any case, I can't see how someone riding on a sidewalk 3,000 miles or so away has any impact on me, or gives me the right to pass judgement.
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Originally Posted by CoachManny
Yes side"walks" should be for pedestrians walking and the roads are for cars and cyclists. Which is why they say we are to follow the same rules as cars.

I always think it's funny when cars yell at me and tell me to get on the side"walk".

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Cars that yell at you? That must be real funny for a pedantic kind of guy all wrapped up in the proper use of the word sidewalk.
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Originally Posted by alcjphil
Complacent parents? Are you kidding? All that was happening was that a child was following her mother out to their car. There was NO carelessness on the part of the mother, she walked ahead to open the car door so her little girl could get in.
Yes, complacent parents, and no I am not kidding. The parents have learned a lesson in that even sidewalks have their dangers, just like the streets.
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Originally Posted by tds101

A child is SUPPOSED to be able to run ON THE SIDEWALK CAREFREE!!! .............
As you seen in the video, that wasn't the case......if you are a parent, take note: teach your children to be equally cautious even on sidewalks, just as you would about streets.
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I think we should open our windows and stop rebreathing our own air. It's getting a bit weird and this isn't the only site.
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He should have to pay for the pain and suffering of that poor girl and her family. How lucky they were to have CCTV.

On the flipside, what if they set up their own daughter to be hit by the cyclist?
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