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Old 08-21-15, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by kickstart
Yeah, my smart phone is expensive, I keep it in my pocket.
I do too. But not everyone does.
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So does that store also demand that ladies leave behind their large purses?
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Originally Posted by genec
Touring is one thing... commuting is another. OP states 50 miles of travel, but also mentions lite rail.
I was referring to your comments about cleanliness and grossness. They are easy to keep clean if all you fill them with is water. And drinking from them can actually be cleaner than drinking from a water bottle since the chance of picking up nasty stuff from something like cow dung on the road is greatly diminished.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
Too simple, no drama; unsuitable for an A&S brand solution.
I have noticed that about this forum.
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Originally Posted by jeichelberg87
Private store, private property...they do not need to let you in and you cannot require (nor are the store staff obligated to provide) a receipt for your item when you turn it over.

As far as being able to write a document for them to sign, please do not attempt this task. Your writing is atrocious and if you ask someone to sign off on a document you have produced, good luck with that.

This a bike forum not some English etiquette forum. My goals writing this were fairly moderate. State the subject and points of the statement. I pretty much left the counterpoints out and figured I'd just let everyone make their own. Was there a point you might of missed or I wasn't clear on?

It's great that you made a comment and I welcome them. I just wish peeps stay on the subject. Can we do that?

(Man you must be busy around here!)
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Originally Posted by genec
So does that store also demand that ladies leave behind their large purses?
This is the issue I brought up at the Arco station. It just so happened there was a young lady with a gigantic purse standing behind me. That did give the cashier pause but he just said "Sorry, I'm just enforcing the rules as I'm told"
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Originally Posted by Cyclosaurus
It's not realistic to wave a contract for a rent-a-cop to sign (or any other store employee for that matter). My first inclination would be to ask for a manager, and politely explain the situation and why I wasn't comfortable leaving my pack with security. Especially since the last time security simply left it unattended. It's quite possible that the manager would say OK. If he doesn't, then you can ask how they intend on keeping your property secure. Also ask if this is official corporate policy or something that's up to the manager's discretion. If you aren't satisfied with the answer, then there's not much choice but to leave. Personally, I'd record the encounter from the moment you walk in (probably as discreetly as possible as you'd likely be asked to stop recording). If at the end you just leave the store you could obviously hold up your phone to get video/photo of the manager/security and then let them know as you walk out that you'll be posting it on social media and going to the company HQ. It might make them think twice and it's also possible that the company would revise its policy or tell the store to stop doing it if it's not company-wide policy.
I like the idea of videoing the encounter. I'm thinking something like those recorders that you clip on to a pocket. Something like a pen. I'll start shopping around and see whats available. I'm not crazy about whipping out a phone to record.
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Originally Posted by kickstart
Put mouth piece in baggie? Go to a different store? Don't take $500 worth of property when going to the store?
That's a no-can-do situation. Just my pack and tablet works out to pretty close to $400 with tax. This setup is what I leave the house with pretty much everyday. Not really worth trying to get a different setup for shopping.
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Originally Posted by jeichelberg87

Besides having no basis for your beef, you are incapable of deducing where to post your issues or concerns or questions of the forum. In what possible universe is this concern related to Advocacy and Safety?
Man, did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed today? What part of "Advocacy" don't you understand? I am advocating getting rid of the car and doing day to day activities via bike travel. This is an issue one may encounter in doing so. Should this have been brought up in Commuting forum? How bout Recreational & Family?

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Originally Posted by CrankyOne
Why do you ride with that thing? I find them quite uncomfortable, they cause sweat on your back, are somewhat difficult to keep free of bacteria, and using that mouthpiece over and over all day is gross.

Maybe use a water bottle or two instead? Better yet, stop at cafe's occasionally for a drink?
I never found mine to be uncomfortable. Do I find it more comfortable without one? Yes, but tend to always do a little shopping when I have a chance, so it becomes where I always need it. I keep an eye on my mouth piece and rinse it now and then. Never have I thought it was gross or filthy, but I do think using bottled water is filthy! Not only that, I'm thinking the water from hydro bag is just as clean, if not cleaner than bottle water. And yes, since we're on the subject, I do buy bottled water (1 gallon size).
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Originally Posted by User1
That's a no-can-do situation. Just my pack and tablet works out to pretty close to $400 with tax. This setup is what I leave the house with pretty much everyday. Not really worth trying to get a different setup for shopping.
Not being obtuse here, why do you take a hydration pack and tablet shopping?
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Originally Posted by Rollfast
Backpacks have been given a bad name over the last few years (I don't need to point out why anymore).

When you enter a business, bank, government institution and so on the people there are entitled to some assurance of their safety. They have the right to ask you to remove some extra articles (in the case of banks, sunglasses and caps are pretty much frowned on because robbers tend to favor them, ditto costumes at Halloween).

If you are losing your equipment this way you need to talk to the management and explain what the equipment is for and what it costs you...you did surrender it temporarily to appease them and if it's gone when you need to leave there ought to be some responsibility on their part for it's safe return.

Let me ask the OP though, why don't you find a system that is integrated with your bike some or simply add another bottle holder? Do you have to drink on the run always? If you are in competition water is generally provided by crews from what I've seen.

Just stop now and then, and refill when you need to...or even buy their water now and then. Some folks don't mind but others kind of resent you just using the bathroom for a pit stop, for example.

And yes if your valuable equipment isn't respected by the staff you should make an issue of that. Report it, let a lawyer talk to them about it or whatever. It's a bit beyond stupid.
You forgot to mention people with strollers. Yeah I can get by without the hydro pack, but I can't get by without the pack. That's my "trunk" for carrying stuff. Being car-less means you are more likely to be carrying stuff home more often.
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Originally Posted by kickstart
Not being obtuse here, why do you take a hydration pack and tablet shopping?
I often take all kindsa crap shopping. It's not like every shopping trip is a special "shopping only" trip. Could be a quick bit of shopping between classes at school, on the way home from work, etc.

My main backpack is 2100 cc and fits a 2 litre hydration bladder. It's the best pack for shopping I have. Fits a bag of groceries if I pack it right. It almost always has some water in it during these warmer months.
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Originally Posted by genec
So does that store also demand that ladies leave behind their large purses?
Not sure about that, but I'm wondering about their policy regarding strollers. What I've done once at a store, don't really shop there, but wanted to shop, what did was put my pack in one of their shopping carts. The security didn't notice the pack till I was putting it on at checkout.
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Originally Posted by kickstart
Not being obtuse here, why do you take a hydration pack and tablet shopping?
Very rarely am I a person just going one spot. It's more of a route with several stops. Being a person that relies on bike travel, you tend to stop at stores more often and get smaller loads cause of it. Plain and simple, stores are just geared towards people with cars. If more people traveled via bike or walked, we'd have a different dynamic.
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Originally Posted by User1
Very rarely am I a person just going one spot. It's more of a route with several stops. Being a person that relies on bike travel, you tend to stop at stores more often and get smaller loads cause of it. Plain and simple, stores are just geared towards people with cars. If more people traveled via bike or walked, we'd have a different dynamic.
I too only use bikes or motorcycles for transportation, and frequently run around rather than make dedicated trips, which is why I asked. When I'm running around, I drink at stops, and only carry a phone, small water bottle and wallet.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
That does not necessarily mean that they are not responsible for the property if it is damaged or stolen. In fact, they very well could be. It depends on the law of the particular jurisdiction. The situation is called a "bailment." Here is a summary of the law in PA:

Liability of the Parties to a Bailment

As noted in the above, attempts to disclaim liability are often struck down. In the OP's case, the bailment appears to be for the sole benefit of the bailee (i.e., the store). As also noted in the above, the standard of care that must be exercised by the bailee in such a situation is pretty high.

Thank you indyfabz. You've given me a direction to peruse this. Much appreciated!
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Originally Posted by kickstart
The problem is they are forced to treat you, and I as thiefs so they can treat thiefs like thief's without being accused of profiling or bias. They're essentially forced into onto an all or nothing situation.

My favorite hardware store does this, they have good bike parking, a great selection of bike consumables, and its nice to not have to carry my junk with me while shopping. If that's the price of not having everything behind glass and competitive prices, I can live with that.
I don't agree that they're forced to treat us that way. It's simply cheaper that way, and more convenient for them.

I've gone into many stores carrying a backpack without issue. Why aren't those stores forced to treat me like a criminal?
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
That does not necessarily mean that they are not responsible for the property if it is damaged or stolen. In fact, they very well could be. It depends on the law of the particular jurisdiction. The situation is called a "bailment." Here is a summary of the law in PA:

Liability of the Parties to a Bailment

As noted in the above, attempts to disclaim liability are often struck down. In the OP's case, the bailment appears to be for the sole benefit of the bailee (i.e., the store). As also noted in the above, the standard of care that must be exercised by the bailee in such a situation is pretty high.

I agree, but the store employees don't know this, and the store manager probably doesn't. That makes it problematic because taking care of my property is my primary aim, and potential restitution is very much secondary.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
I was referring to your comments about cleanliness and grossness. They are easy to keep clean if all you fill them with is water. And drinking from them can actually be cleaner than drinking from a water bottle since the chance of picking up nasty stuff from something like cow dung on the road is greatly diminished.
I never commented on their cleanliness... anthough my son complains about the efforts he goes through to keep his camelback clean, while I just throw water bottles in the dishwasher.

My complaint is they keep your back hot and sweaty.
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Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets
This is the issue I brought up at the Arco station. It just so happened there was a young lady with a gigantic purse standing behind me. That did give the cashier pause but he just said "Sorry, I'm just enforcing the rules as I'm told"
And there is the problem... "just enforcing the rules..." while missing the obvious.

As others have stated... don't shop there. That is about all the power you have.
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Originally Posted by User1
I like the idea of videoing the encounter. I'm thinking something like those recorders that you clip on to a pocket. Something like a pen. I'll start shopping around and see whats available. I'm not crazy about whipping out a phone to record.
If you are going to tape it, don't hide it. Make a show of it and if they give you a hard time, tell 'em this in liu of the receipt they should give you for "checking" in your stuff.
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Originally Posted by User1
Very rarely am I a person just going one spot. It's more of a route with several stops. Being a person that relies on bike travel, you tend to stop at stores more often and get smaller loads cause of it. Plain and simple, stores are just geared towards people with cars. If more people traveled via bike or walked, we'd have a different dynamic.
Panniers. They work.
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Originally Posted by User1
Very rarely am I a person just going one spot. It's more of a route with several stops. Being a person that relies on bike travel, you tend to stop at stores more often and get smaller loads cause of it. Plain and simple, stores are just geared towards people with cars. If more people traveled via bike or walked, we'd have a different dynamic.
Your "dilemma" and associated drama would probably be welcomed on the Living Car Free list.
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