Hard takedown of rude 14-year-old for helmet & sidewalk riding violations
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It may seem like a stretch. But that teen could have ended up like Freddie Gray. Whose death while in police custody, sparked the 2015 race riots in Baltimore. Which led to the DA filing charges against the six officers involved in the stop, and the firing of the police commissioner by the mayor.
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I never said the officer was wrong, for stopping the teen. It was what the officer did when the teen was on the ground. He could easily have restrained the teen. By getting on top of the teen, and putting pressure on the teen's shoulders and arms. There was no need for putting pressure on his neck.
It may seem like a stretch. But that teen could have ended up like Freddie Gray. Whose death while in police custody, sparked the 2015 race riots in Baltimore. Which led to the DA filing charges against the six officers involved in the stop, and the firing of the police commissioner by the mayor.
It may seem like a stretch. But that teen could have ended up like Freddie Gray. Whose death while in police custody, sparked the 2015 race riots in Baltimore. Which led to the DA filing charges against the six officers involved in the stop, and the firing of the police commissioner by the mayor.
Guess I'm just a puff who didn't find it all so simple and easy, thank goodness BF has its resident supermen, and experts to show us the light.
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I'm waiting for the facts of the case to come out (i.e., what happened prior to the video captured events). But by then, no one will care anymore and we'll be on to the next flap.
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I never said the officer was wrong, for stopping the teen. It was what the officer did when the teen was on the ground. He could easily have restrained the teen. By getting on top of the teen, and putting pressure on the teen's shoulders and arms. There was no need for putting pressure on his neck.
It may seem like a stretch. But that teen could have ended up like Freddie Gray. Whose death while in police custody, sparked the 2015 race riots in Baltimore. Which led to the DA filing charges against the six officers involved in the stop, and the firing of the police commissioner by the mayor.
It may seem like a stretch. But that teen could have ended up like Freddie Gray. Whose death while in police custody, sparked the 2015 race riots in Baltimore. Which led to the DA filing charges against the six officers involved in the stop, and the firing of the police commissioner by the mayor.
You first referenced a life threatening head injury and now you are referencing being beaten to death by multiple police officers while in custody.
What part of that video gave you a serious reason to believe that the cyclist was on his way to dying while in the custody of police officers?
Or do you just imagine that everytime someone is restrained?
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I never said the officer was wrong, for stopping the teen. It was what the officer did when the teen was on the ground. He could easily have restrained the teen. By getting on top of the teen, and putting pressure on the teen's shoulders and arms. There was no need for putting pressure on his neck.
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I watched the video again and only saw 'pressure on his neck' when his neck was a foot or so off the ground. In other words whatever pressure was applied was shared by the kid and the officer. I didn't see him pressing on his neck while on the ground. Much ado about nothing...
You first referenced a life threatening head injury and now you are referencing being beaten to death by multiple police officers while in custody.
What part of that video gave you a serious reason to believe that the cyclist was on his way to dying while in the custody of police officers?
Or do you just imagine that everytime someone is restrained?
Even the Comox RCMP said it wasn't a legal stop. Instead of deriding me. Watch this video clearly.
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Is this what we are coming to as a society...a fourteen year old is on the sidewalk without a helmet, BFD, so stop him and remind him of the law because we all know how critical it is to stop a teen from being a teen. Even if he got mouthy, an adult and especially a Peace Officer, should have the composure to handle some likely rude comments without over reaction and escalation of trivial matters.
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Video of Mountie taking down teen sparks police brutality claims | CTV Vancouver Island News
Even the Comox RCMP said it wasn't a legal stop. Instead of deriding me. Watch this video clearly.
Even the Comox RCMP said it wasn't a legal stop. Instead of deriding me. Watch this video clearly.
Comox Valley RCMP have issued a statement in response, saying the videos do not tell the whole story.“The video does not show the officer conducting a legal stop, nor does it show the male allegedly refuse to identify himself and become verbally abusive with the officer,”
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That depends. I avoid sidewalks but occasionally go there to avoid a narrow lane or construction. I go slowly and defer to pedestrians. I don't think it creates a big danger. Riding too fast for the conditions or just recklessly is problematical whether you're on the road or a sidewalk or an MUP and that's the issue if there is one. Of course it also helps if pedestrians pay attention to their surroundings.
Pedestrians should "pay attention to their surroundings?" How about cyclists stay off the sidewalks and obey the law. Pedestrians should not be forced to be on the look out for irresponsible cyclists such as yourself ready to mow people down.
Cyclists don't have the right to ride on sidewalks because of construction or a narrow lane.
I have no sympathy for that kid. He broke the law, refused to show ID, breaking the law twice, and got what was coming to him.
Cyclists don't have the right to ride on sidewalks because of construction or a narrow lane.
I have no sympathy for that kid. He broke the law, refused to show ID, breaking the law twice, and got what was coming to him.
Now clearly where the cyclist lives it apparently it IS illegal for one to operate their bicycle on the sidewalk.
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I don't know how the law plays out on your side of the border. An officer has a right to talk to anyone, to ask anyone a question, to ask anyone to identify themselves, to direct anyone to comply with the law and their lawful orders, and to use the force necessary (as outlined in their use of force policy) to compel compliance.
I missed the part of the video where the cop threw the subject to the ground. Do you have a link to that one? Any facts that you can provide as to what went down prior to the video posted in the OP are of great interest to me. I only watched the original video and read the accompanying write up.
I missed the part of the video where the cop threw the subject to the ground. Do you have a link to that one? Any facts that you can provide as to what went down prior to the video posted in the OP are of great interest to me. I only watched the original video and read the accompanying write up.
And what about the times when a cop is just being a "bully with a badge?" And IF we have to be honest and truthful when we answer their questions then shouldn't they likewise have to be honest and truthful when dealing with us?
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When I lived in Toronto, whenever I saw a someone riding on the sidewalk I would do my best to block, or at least inconvenience, them. My favourite times were when walking my dog and I would detect someone riding up behind us on the sidewalk and I would let the leash out as far as it would go, and my dog seemed to know why and would walk on the opposite side of the sidewalk so getting past was impossible. If the person said anything or rang their bell I would ignore them except for slowing down significantly.
So we do give plenty of room for pedestrians, grant us the courtesy of letting us pass you.
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I came across this video: https://richardhughes.ca/cumberland-m...in-cumberland/
It does show several angles. Just not the teen riding on the sidewalk, or riding without a helmet. The videos' only show the kid on the ground with no helmet. So, While the officer with Cumberland RCMP 'claimed' the teen was riding on the sidewalk, with no helmet. That isn't seen in the videos'. So that can go both ways. As to the teen not wearing a helmet. He is not caught on video(here), not wearing a helmet, just on the ground with no helmet. But in the compiled video. While the teen is on the ground. It doesn't show a helmet laying anywhere near him, on the ground. So, That seems to favor the officer. But that doesn't mean the teen wasn't wearing a helmet.
It does show several angles. Just not the teen riding on the sidewalk, or riding without a helmet. The videos' only show the kid on the ground with no helmet. So, While the officer with Cumberland RCMP 'claimed' the teen was riding on the sidewalk, with no helmet. That isn't seen in the videos'. So that can go both ways. As to the teen not wearing a helmet. He is not caught on video(here), not wearing a helmet, just on the ground with no helmet. But in the compiled video. While the teen is on the ground. It doesn't show a helmet laying anywhere near him, on the ground. So, That seems to favor the officer. But that doesn't mean the teen wasn't wearing a helmet.
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Discounting conspiracy theories, it's safe to accept that it was a lawful stop for the reasons given -- sidewalk, no helmet. After all, why else would the cop single out this kid. I'll also credit the official explanation that the cop's actions were a reaction to the kid being a wiseguy and/or belligerent.
But IMO, even granting all the official claims, it till doesn't justify the cop's actions. It's a question of proportionality, and his ability to manage the situation, and it's a fail on both points. If a cop can't manage a 14 year old kid without violence, then we have to wonder how he'd fare with a 225# adult drunk.
As for the kid's refusal to give a name, no problem, take the bike, and tell him that he can bring his parents to the station to claim it. Or take the bike, and tell the kid you need his name so his parents can reclaim it. Explain that his parent's ID will have to match the name or else they won't be allowed to reclaim the bike.
My point isn't as much abut the force as it is about failing to manage a situation without needing any force, or with minimal force.
But IMO, even granting all the official claims, it till doesn't justify the cop's actions. It's a question of proportionality, and his ability to manage the situation, and it's a fail on both points. If a cop can't manage a 14 year old kid without violence, then we have to wonder how he'd fare with a 225# adult drunk.
As for the kid's refusal to give a name, no problem, take the bike, and tell him that he can bring his parents to the station to claim it. Or take the bike, and tell the kid you need his name so his parents can reclaim it. Explain that his parent's ID will have to match the name or else they won't be allowed to reclaim the bike.
My point isn't as much abut the force as it is about failing to manage a situation without needing any force, or with minimal force.
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Discounting conspiracy theories, it's safe to accept that it was a lawful stop for the reasons given -- sidewalk, no helmet. After all, why else would the cop single out this kid. I'll also credit the official explanation that the cop's actions were a reaction to the kid being a wiseguy and/or belligerent.
But IMO, even granting all the official claims, it till doesn't justify the cop's actions. It's a question of proportionality, and his ability to manage the situation, and it's a fail on both points. If a cop can't manage a 14 year old kid without violence, then we have to wonder how he'd fare with a 225# adult drunk.
As for the kid's refusal to give a name, no problem, take the bike, and tell him that he can bring his parents to the station to claim it. Or take the bike, and tell the kid you need his name so his parents can reclaim it. Explain that his parent's ID will have to match the name or else they won't be allowed to reclaim the bike.
My point isn't as much abut the force as it is about failing to manage a situation without needing any force, or with minimal force.
But IMO, even granting all the official claims, it till doesn't justify the cop's actions. It's a question of proportionality, and his ability to manage the situation, and it's a fail on both points. If a cop can't manage a 14 year old kid without violence, then we have to wonder how he'd fare with a 225# adult drunk.
As for the kid's refusal to give a name, no problem, take the bike, and tell him that he can bring his parents to the station to claim it. Or take the bike, and tell the kid you need his name so his parents can reclaim it. Explain that his parent's ID will have to match the name or else they won't be allowed to reclaim the bike.
My point isn't as much abut the force as it is about failing to manage a situation without needing any force, or with minimal force.
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I never said, or implied that. I was actually saying. That there was no helmet in any of the videos'. So, The officer saying that the teen was not wearing a helmet, could actually be true. If anything, I was backing up the officer on the violations to the Motor Vehicle Act. Not the officer's physical behavior in response to the infractions.
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Discounting conspiracy theories, it's safe to accept that it was a lawful stop for the reasons given -- sidewalk, no helmet. After all, why else would the cop single out this kid. I'll also credit the official explanation that the cop's actions were a reaction to the kid being a wiseguy and/or belligerent.
But IMO, even granting all the official claims, it till doesn't justify the cop's actions. It's a question of proportionality, and his ability to manage the situation, and it's a fail on both points. If a cop can't manage a 14 year old kid without violence, then we have to wonder how he'd fare with a 225# adult drunk.
As for the kid's refusal to give a name, no problem, take the bike, and tell him that he can bring his parents to the station to claim it. Or take the bike, and tell the kid you need his name so his parents can reclaim it. Explain that his parent's ID will have to match the name or else they won't be allowed to reclaim the bike.
My point isn't as much abut the force as it is about failing to manage a situation without needing any force, or with minimal force.
But IMO, even granting all the official claims, it till doesn't justify the cop's actions. It's a question of proportionality, and his ability to manage the situation, and it's a fail on both points. If a cop can't manage a 14 year old kid without violence, then we have to wonder how he'd fare with a 225# adult drunk.
As for the kid's refusal to give a name, no problem, take the bike, and tell him that he can bring his parents to the station to claim it. Or take the bike, and tell the kid you need his name so his parents can reclaim it. Explain that his parent's ID will have to match the name or else they won't be allowed to reclaim the bike.
My point isn't as much abut the force as it is about failing to manage a situation without needing any force, or with minimal force.
Agreed, the Mountie being the so called "professional" on the scene should have been able to handle the situation without resorting to physically restrain the youth.
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