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Old 04-30-16, 10:00 AM
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What are the Worst Cities in being CUT-OFF?

Are those thinking to be cut-off because of the bike (color, name, value, etc)?
Body profile?
Because the seen drive be elderly (loss of coordination)? Or another issue of age, like juveniles??
Because the drive who cut-off be of an out-of-state license plate?

Etc.
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Dare I say, that it is far more likely to be the "(color, name, value, etc)?" of the rider, rather than of the bike, that might influence the behavior of drivers. Come on. But even being a rider of an ethnicity that does, on occasion, receive targeted abuse from drivers based entirely on that intrinsic, I have to also observe that being cut-off is more likely to be influenced by the near universal assumption that a bicycle being much slower, regardless of make, or price point, etc. than any brand of legal motor vehicle, a driver might "cut-off" a cyclist without really considering him or herself as having done so. Being 'CUT-OFF" is way, way down on my personal hierarchy of motorist offenses if you really want to know. Just saying.
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Dare I say, that it is far more likely to be the "(color, name, value, etc)?" of the rider, rather than of the bike, that might influence the behavior of drivers. Come on. But even being a rider of an ethnicity that does, on occasion, receive targeted abuse from drivers based entirely on that intrinsic, I have to also observe that being cut-off is more likely to be influenced by the near universal assumption that a bicycle being much slower, regardless of make, or price point, etc. than any brand of legal motor vehicle, a driver might "cut-off" a cyclist without really considering him or herself as having done so. Being 'CUT-OFF" is way, way down on my personal hierarchy of motorist offenses if you really want to know. Just saying.
No doubt except for being left turn cut off... that is the worst form of being cut off... the motorist that makes the assumption that you are slow, or worse, doesn't even look for you... then pulls his power move across lanes to just squeak past other traffic to make some driveway or cross street... while plowing right into you. That is the worst cut off.
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Originally Posted by genec
No doubt except for being left turn cut off... that is the worst form of being cut off... the motorist that makes the assumption that you are slow, or worse, doesn't even look for you... then pulls his power move across lanes to just squeak past other traffic to make some driveway or cross street... while plowing right into you. That is the worst cut off.
Had a co-worker on a bicycle T-bone a pickup truck making a left turn from a suicide lane (USA). They just didn't expect a bicycle to be moving that fast.

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Originally Posted by Stick69
Had a co-worker on a bicycle T-bone a pickup truck making a left turn from a suicide lane (USA). They just didn't expect a bicycle to be moving that fast.
Had a co-worker T boned that way... broke his arm and collar bone and soured him on bike commuting.

Driver apparently only saw the 3 lanes of motor vehicles... and not the bike lane.
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I carried a bike when I drove longhaul,, and have ridden in most cities in the US. I don't think the city, or state makes as much of a difference as ones specific location.
Schools, large factories, shopping malls, low rent district, airport, being in some locations at the wrong time can call for extra care as they tend to bring out the worst in a few drivers,
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Originally Posted by genec
No doubt except for being left turn cut off... that is the worst form of being cut off... the motorist that makes the assumption that you are slow, or worse, doesn't even look for you... then pulls his power move across lanes to just squeak past other traffic to make some driveway or cross street... while plowing right into you. That is the worst cut off.
You are in California; you know that if you not drive a certain style, in a traffic intersection, that bikes WILL be cut-off.
The member you replied to -- speaks as he does, because he not be in California. California is very well known for what occurs during/after motorist-to-motorist cut-offs.
What a RAGING motorist (many be off-duty cyclists) hate: be a retaliatory cyclist. As cyclists are expected to be *******. Its the old game of the smallest-one-in-class-gets-picked-on game.
At least throughout SoCal -- if not further: (way too high a % of) cyclists are very hypocritical, because they are not sole cyclists.

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Originally Posted by molten
Are those thinking to be cut-off because of the bike (color, name, value, etc)?
Body profile?
Because the seen drive be elderly (loss of coordination)? Or another issue of age, like juveniles??
Because the drive who cut-off be of an out-of-state license plate?

Etc.
I would say major metropolitan regions like DC, NYC, Dallas, and LA. That is, if I understand your question correctly? As to specifics like age, out-of-state, etc. I have been cut-off by all of them. But the worst was when I was 14yrs.-old(1981). I was in DC turning right off a semi-major artery, on to a slower street. I was 'hugging' the parked cars at that time. I had to go further out, to avoid a parked car during the turn. When an elderly driver hit me in the turn.
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I think there are two issues.

Driver sees cyclist and ignores the cyclist.
  • At least around here, drivers are pretty courteous. It does happen a bit of underestimating position/speed, but more often than not I'll see a car waiting when it clearly had time to go.
    I've had quite a few cars stop for me when I'm waiting at a stop sign. It can be handy on a busy street when I just don't have the acceleration to jump across several lanes of traffic, but I can only proceed after all lanes stop or are clear.
Driver doesn't see the cyclist.
  • The more people and bicycles together, the worse it is (any big metro area).
    A cyclist should pay particular attention to pulling up to the right side of a cars. But cars pulling out of driveways can be bad too.
    Pay special attention to driveways on fast descents.
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[QUOTE=CliffordK;18732832]Pay special attention to driveways on fast descents.]

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Originally Posted by molten
Are those thinking to be cut-off because of the bike (color, name, value, etc)?
Body profile?
Because the seen drive be elderly (loss of coordination)? Or another issue of age, like juveniles??
Because the drive who cut-off be of an out-of-state license plate?

Etc.
It's one thing for threads in A&S to turn negative because of disagreements. It's quite another for a person to do nothing but solicit negativity.
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Originally Posted by ThermionicScott
It's one thing for threads in A&S to turn negative because of disagreements. It's quite another for a person to do nothing but solicit negativity.
Especially when the obvious motivation is ones prejudices, and insecurities.
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Originally Posted by ThermionicScott
It's one thing for threads in A&S to turn negative because of disagreements. It's quite another for a person to do nothing but solicit negativity.
If you are able to determine what the heck the OP was soliciting you are much wiser than I.
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