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Old 07-05-16, 10:09 AM
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I wonder what happened here...

I can not explain the contents of this video. Something must have happened off camera....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUki...has_verified=1
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On the other hand, an anonymous videographer uploaded footage of an NYPD officer body-slamming a man on a bicycle to YouTube. Although the videographer was never revealed, the video went viral. Consequently, the manufactured assault charges against the bicyclist were dropped, the officer was fired, and the bicyclist eventually sued the city and won a $65,000 settlement.

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I'll take an S-works Venge for one big old body shot like that...and put the other 55k in the bank.
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I'll take an S-works Venge for one big old body shot like that...and put the other 55k in the bank.
How about some lost teeth, a concussion, or a broken back? No telling what you are going to get if you F around with the cops. I am not a gambler.
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Not sure that guy necessarily "F'd around with the cops" -- I am admittedly getting a bit older, but I'm pretty sure I still stick with my statement -- I'd take a full on body check like that and risk the injuries for $65k cash -- the curb does concern me because that could crack collar bones. I'd probably end up with a Venge and a Land Rover fully paid for.
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Originally Posted by deapee
On the other hand, an anonymous videographer uploaded footage of an NYPD officer body-slamming a man on a bicycle to YouTube. Although the videographer was never revealed, the video went viral. Consequently, the manufactured assault charges against the bicyclist were dropped, the officer was fired, and the bicyclist eventually sued the city and won a $65,000 settlement.
Wow, so the cop was just singling out this particular cyclist for no apparent reason? Every once in a while you read about the good guy winning and I can only imagine what that poor guy would have had gone through if it wasn't for that video. I really thought something off camera happened and gave the officer reason for the take down. It was violent and the chance of serious injury was pretty high. I wonder what was going through both their minds at the time.
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No doubt...looked like the cop started walking and used some excuse of "the biker was headed right for me" -- good thing the video existed. This isn't a cyclist vs a cop, this isn't black lives matter, this isn't even representative of how cops normally are. This guy (who happened to be a cop) acted like a predatory animal and attacked a guy out of a pack of people, in my opinion. He chose his target, he zoned in, and then he stalked him...and when it came to court, he probably said the guy was headed straight for him.
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I think it is not only a sad day when citizens fear the police, but a dangerous trend. Last week, for Father's Day, my two youngest daughters took me and my GF out for dinner. My youngest was driving, when suddenly she sat up perfectly straight, hands shaking and her mood changed. I asked her "what's up with you" and she replied "there's a cop behind me".
I told her to relax, she wasn't doing anything wrong and just continue to drive normal, not all tense. The cop turned into a business of some sort and she breathed a sigh of relief. We talked a lot about that during our dinner.
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Originally Posted by NYMXer
I can not explain the contents of this video. Something must have happened off camera....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUki...has_verified=1
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I think it is not only a sad day when citizens fear the police, but a dangerous trend. Last week, for Father's Day, my two youngest daughters took me and my GF out for dinner. My youngest was driving, when suddenly she sat up perfectly straight, hands shaking and her mood changed. I asked her "what's up with you" and she replied "there's a cop behind me".
I told her to relax, she wasn't doing anything wrong and just continue to drive normal, not all tense. The cop turned into a business of some sort and she breathed a sigh of relief. We talked a lot about that during our dinner.
Something happened EIGHT years ago! What is your point; that you or your family member's paranoia about the police is justified?

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Originally Posted by NYMXer
I can not explain the contents of this video. Something must have happened off camera....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUki...has_verified=1
2008. This has been discussed here so long ago...
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
Something happened EIGHT years ago! What is your point; that you or your family member's paranoia about the police is justified?
I didn't think the topic was age dependent and I had no point, I asked "I wonder what happened here?".
Yes, I was concerned that my daughter (as many of our youth do), has fear of the police. She is going in her 3rd year of PreVet and never had any contact with police, not even a speeding ticket. Her fears had me concerned but that was just me sharing a personal story. If you don't like it, go somewhere else and try to have a pleasant day.

genec, I haven't been a member here that long to know if it was discussed or not. I came across the video and found it worthy of discussion. It's okay with me if you or anyone else would rather discuss something else on another thread.
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Originally Posted by NYMXer
I can not explain the contents of this video. Something must have happened off camera....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUki...has_verified=1
Why post about an event that happened at least EIGHT YEARS ago?

Was the bicyclist doing something dangerous prior to riding into the video?

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Originally Posted by Miele Man
Why post about an event that happened at least EIGHT YEARS ago?

Was the bicyclist doing something dangerous prior to riding into the video?

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The third time is the charm, three people have pointed out the age of that video and are more disturbed by that than the content. If you went as far as reading post #2, you will find the answer to your question.

I am beginning to see why the same people post the same repeated stuff and the newbies don't post, just go away. The anger, lack of patience or understanding by some members here is just inexcusable and a deterrent to people posting to help keep things lively around here. It's not news and info they want, it's drama!
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Originally Posted by NYMXer
The third time is the charm, three people have pointed out the age of that video and are more disturbed by that than the content. If you went as far as reading post #2, you will find the answer to your question.

I am beginning to see why the same people post the same repeated stuff and the newbies don't post, just go away. The anger, lack of patience or understanding by some members here is just inexcusable and a deterrent to people posting to help keep things lively around here. It's not news and info they want, it's drama!
Gee, you seem to be very angry that a post was made asking why the 8 years old video was brought up.

I've seen a lot of videos purporting to show someone doing something to someone else but later I find that the person was doing something nasty before the incident shown in the video.
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Since so many old timers know the video and cop firing was discussed way back in 2008, why not post the link to the thread so the young ones (new comers) can learn from it? It is not like we do not ever discuss a topic more than once, say helmets.

At least this video has had some time to age without helmet still arguments, before being reposted.
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The cop claimed the cyclist avoided stopping when ordered by other cops at a previous intersection. The cops report also claimed the cyclist turned to try and hit the cop, so the cop acted in self-defense, that the cyclist resisted arrest and lots of other BS.

For those claiming this is not the norm for cops, many other cops knew the report was false but provided support for the bad cop. Question, if good cops do not stand up against the bad cops, are the good cops really good cops? How often does crap like this happen, but without a tourist having a video camera on the action? Without this video, the cyclist would have been jailed for a felony and "good" cops were willing to let that happen.

I have met both true good cops, bad cops and some bad good cops (cops that do not do the intial bad deed but still protect the bad cop). It is well past time for the truly good cops to get rid of the bad cops and bad good cops.
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Originally Posted by NYMXer
I can not explain the contents of this video. Something must have happened off camera....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUki...has_verified=1
Watching the video, after the riders is knocked off the bike, someone rides up, snags the bicycle, and rides off with it.

I have to wonder if it was a bike thief that the officer apprehended.
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The cop claimed the cyclist avoided stopping when ordered by other cops at a previous intersection. The cops report also claimed the cyclist turned to try and hit the cop, so the cop acted in self-defense, that the cyclist resisted arrest and lots of other BS.

For those claiming this is not the norm for cops, many other cops knew the report was false but provided support for the bad cop. Question, if good cops do not stand up against the bad cops, are the good cops really good cops? How often does crap like this happen, but without a tourist having a video camera on the action? Without this video, the cyclist would have been jailed for a felony and "good" cops were willing to let that happen.

I have met both true good cops, bad cops and some bad good cops (cops that do not do the intial bad deed but still protect the bad cop). It is well past time for the truly good cops to get rid of the bad cops and bad good cops.
The easy answer is no. Unfortunately, it's a rare DA who will take them on. Locally, our police are notoriously corrupt. One of them body slammed a handcuffed suspect onto a concrete floor, head first while grabbing his neck followed by a knee to the head. The assailant was charged (misdemeanor only), but the cop who assisted him and the cop who witnessed the episode weren't even reprimanded, let alone prosecuted.
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Watching the video, after the riders is knocked off the bike, someone rides up, snags the bicycle, and rides off with it.

I have to wonder if it was a bike thief that the officer apprehended.
The person that took the bicycle away was a friend and not arrested. The friend did not want the police confiscating the bicycle where the police could accidently lose it forever.
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I can not explain the contents of this video. Something must have happened off camera....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUki...has_verified=1
The day after that incident. That officer resigned from the NYPD. If something did happen off camera. Then that officer was targeting the cyclist he knocked over. Because there were plenty of other cyclists' to knock over.

But instead of a form criminal apprehension, like of a member of the ten most wanted who wanted to hide among the cyclists'. That officer was just being a bully.
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That officer was just being a bully.
Then we are all better off that he resigned because he is not of the 'to serve and protect" mentality.
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Then we are all better off that he resigned because he is not of the 'to serve and protect" mentality.
Yes. I wonder what got under his skin so bad. That propelled him to do something so egregious and malicious. While keeping in mind. The NYPD doesn't have a stellar record in their response to cyclists' being on the road.
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Chris0516, about 6 weeks ago, I did a 92 mile ride around the boroughs of NYC where I saw many other cyclists and NYPD patrol.
It was a great ride and nothing or no one spoiled it but I have heard stories like what you are talking about. All I can add to that is cyclists are like the NYPD, mostly good but a few bad ones and it is the bad ones that spoil things for everyone.
I have passed cyclist while in my car and wondered if they had a death wish or something. I live in a rural area above NYC, so I don't get down that way too much to see the bad, when I go.... I am the typical tourist type, lol
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The was critical mass eh. The cops were obviously pissed off that they were taking all 4 lanes.
Prolly they ran the red light besides.
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Originally Posted by Chris0516
The day after that incident. That officer resigned from the NYPD.
Reread the news on the NYPD assault. The cop did not resign the DAY AFTER. The video did not appear on youtube until sometime after the assault. The cop did not resign until after the video proved the cop made false statements about the incident and the cop falsely charged the cyclist for some very serious crimes.The cyclist won a civil suit against NYC for the false charges.

The cyclist may be a dirt bag, but he is not a dig bag with a badge and gun. And papa cop seems to be as bad as his son, but likely got away with it because of the lack of cell phones during his bad cop days.

THE WEEKLY VICE: NYPD Cop Assaults ?Critical Mass? Event Bike Rider, Arrests Him And Then Allegedly Lies About The Attack On Arrest Report

Patrick Pogan, NYPD cop who pushed a Critical Mass cyclist to the ground, gets no jail time - NY Daily News

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/30/nyregion/30pogan.html
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The was critical mass eh. The cops were obviously pissed off that they were taking all 4 lanes.
Prolly they ran the red light besides.
Supposing the cyclist did. How could the officer accurately only zero in on that cyclist. When others may have too. Sort of like the previous traffic signal required a photo finish of sorts, for accuracy.
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