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Old 07-06-16, 12:40 AM   #1
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'Grief for an Avid Cyclist Killed in a Brooklyn Hit-and-Run'

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/06/ny...t-and-run.html

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Early on Saturday, Mr. von Ohlen was riding in the bike lane coming home from his night job at Apotheke, a bar in Manhattan. Surveillance video from a nearby restaurant shows that a black Chevrolet Camaro with tinted windows hit Mr. von Ohlen around 2:30 a.m., dragging him and the bike several yards.

The Camaro drove off.
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Transportation Alternatives said that the day after the hit-and-run, police officers went to the street where Mr. von Ohlen was killed to issue summonses to cyclists for violations like running red lights and not having a bell.

"There's an assumption that it is always the cyclist at fault, 'those darn bikers,'"
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We see far too much of this these days. A drunk driver could run over a cyclist, and the MSM would report that traffic conditions improved
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We see far too much of this these days. A drunk driver could run over a cyclist, and the MSM would report that traffic conditions improved
You do realize that this story is in the New York Times, about as 'mainstream media' as it gets?

What news organization do you follow that you see being balanced in coverage of cycling and cyclists (if they have any at all)?
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Yeah, this is a big deal here in Brooklyn. I didn't know him but he was a major advocate and seems to have been killed on purpose. Horrible.
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Gothamist is doing some fine reporting on what is happening on the streets, especially calling out some NYPD biases (plural).

You do know that some reporters ride bicycles right?

(They located the Camaro today.)

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Why am I not surprised. Not by what time of day the cyclist was killed. But by the driver's behavior.
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I wouldn't ride a bike in NY, too many psycho drivers.
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Gothamist is doing some fine reporting on what is happening on the streets, especially calling out some NYPD biases (plural).

You do know that some reporters ride bicycles right?

(They located the Camaro today.)

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I wouldn't ride a bike in NY, too many psycho drivers.
Honestly, I see more dangerous, aggressive behavior when riding in the country. Most of the drivers in NYC are used to bikes.
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Is there anyone here who has not noticed that traveling on roadways used by motorists is dangerous to everybody?? The carnage is not just cyclists. Check out some motorcycle forums. How many "death by car/truck" happen every day to other motorists? Pedestrians? It's really just all part of the program. Enter at your own risk.
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witnessed 1st hand the immediate aftermath of a motorcycle accident on the FDR Parkway about 40 yrs ago while driving into town to get discounted printing paper. if my buddy wasn't with me I would not have believed what we saw. and after a current colleague lost a son to a motorcycle accident I stupidly googled pictures of motorcycle accidents. don't ever do that.
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...I stupidly googled pictures of motorcycle accidents. don't ever do that.
Too late. Did that 10 years ago. I lasted about 90 seconds on the site. Some images still persist in my head.


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Is there anyone here who has not noticed that traveling on roadways used by motorists is dangerous to everybody?? The carnage is not just cyclists. Check out some motorcycle forums. How many "death by car/truck" happen every day to other motorists? Pedestrians? It's really just all part of the program. Enter at your own risk.
Yes, I keep hearing of pedestrians killed when they had the walk sign.
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Wonder if the victim was a member on these forums.
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Is there anyone here who has not noticed that traveling on roadways used by motorists is dangerous to everybody?? The carnage is not just cyclists. Check out some motorcycle forums. How many "death by car/truck" happen every day to other motorists? Pedestrians? It's really just all part of the program. Enter at your own risk.

After 42 years on bikes and only 14 driving (no car since 2006), I don't see any more risk than anything else.


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Honestly, I see more dangerous, aggressive behavior when riding in the country. Most of the drivers in NYC are used to bikes.

North America in general is not very bike-friendly, rural or urban. I ride mainly in parks or bike trails, rarely on the street unless there's a protected bike lane or on the sidewalk where its allowed.
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North America in general is not very bike-friendly, rural or urban. I ride mainly in parks or bike trails, rarely on the street unless there's a protected bike lane or on the sidewalk where its allowed.
what place IS?
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Honestly, I see more dangerous, aggressive behavior when riding in the country. Most of the drivers in NYC are used to bikes.
This.

Thee traffic conditions slow things down and there are more witnesses as well. My biggest nightmare is a group of 18-24 year old kids in the exerbs egging one another on.
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North America in general is not very bike-friendly, rural or urban. I ride mainly in parks or bike trails, rarely on the street unless there's a protected bike lane or on the sidewalk where its allowed.
From what I've seen read and see, I'd say that sidewalk riding is probably one ofthe most dangerous riding places for a bicyclist. You're out of sight of motorists at just about every crossind which include intersections as well as entrances to buildings or parking lots. Then you have the issue of people with or without earbuds andering around or stepping out of buildings and stepping directly into your path especially if you are travellingat any speed. There're many good reasons why most areas do not allow adult size bicycles on sidewalks. Be extremely careful if you're riding on a sidewalk.

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what place IS?
Parks and trails are pretty safe.

Street riding can be unsafe anywhere in the world but in NA where automobiles are much larger and the speeds faster, it is more dangerous than most. In American people are very status conscious. They virtually worship the automobile and have have little or no respect for cyclists.


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From what I've seen read and see, I'd say that sidewalk riding is probably one ofthe most dangerous riding places for a bicyclist. You're out of sight of motorists at just about every crossind which include intersections as well as entrances to buildings or parking lots. Then you have the issue of people with or without earbuds andering around or stepping out of buildings and stepping directly into your path especially if you are travellingat any speed. There're many good reasons why most areas do not allow adult size bicycles on sidewalks. Be extremely careful if you're riding on a sidewalk.

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I ride a compact folding bike with 20 inch wheels which are allowed on the sidewalk in most places, though I rarely do. You don't want to ride a full size bike on the sidewalk because their speed and size make them awkward and harder to control in a confined space as the sidewalk.
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Now it may have been a deliberate hit-and-run, according to reports:

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The 35-year-old bike enthusiast, who had co-founded BikeStock, had been travelling on the cycle lane when the Chevy driver slowed down and the pair exchanged words.

Investigators told Pix-11: 'The driver then hit von Ohlen's rear tire and as the victim fell off his bike, the driver slammed into him again, running over him and dragging him about twenty to thirty feet.

'The driver then sped off, heading east on Grand Street.'
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But the morning after the fatal incident, police were on the Brooklyn street canvasing cyclists and passing out pamphlets about their 'obligations and responsibilities'
NYPD slammed by cyclists for pamphlets hours after Brooklyn biker was killed deliberatly | Daily Mail Online
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Honestly, I see more dangerous, aggressive behavior when riding in the country. Most of the drivers in NYC are used to bikes.
While I don't live in NYC. I find bad drivers transcend urban streets, and suburbia. In the city the potential for getting 'doored', and passed too closely, rises. Because of how packed in everything is. In suburbia and beyond. Instead of packed in. Motorists' think it is a green light to 'step on the gas', resulting in a 'close pass' regardless of not being packed in.
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From what I've seen read and see, I'd say that sidewalk riding is probably one of the most dangerous riding places for a bicyclist. You're out of sight of motorists at just about every crossing which include intersections as well as entrances to buildings or parking lots. Then you have the issue of people with or without earbuds wandering around or stepping out of buildings and stepping directly into your path especially if you are travelling at any speed. There're many good reasons why most areas do not allow adult size bicycles on sidewalks. Be extremely careful if you're riding on a sidewalk.

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That is why I ride in the street. Both, The street and the sidewalk, have sudden unknown variables. But the sidewalk is more confined, and there is less time to prepare for those unknown variables.
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While I don't live in NYC. I find bad drivers transcend urban streets, and suburbia. In the city the potential for getting 'doored', and passed too closely, rises. Because of how packed in everything is. In suburbia and beyond. Instead of packed in. Motorists' think it is a green light to 'step on the gas', resulting in a 'close pass' regardless of not being packed in.

Exactly.

That is why I ride in the street. Both, The street and the sidewalk, have sudden unknown variables. But the sidewalk is more confined, and there is less time to prepare for those unknown variables.
I teach bicyclists to ride OUTSIDE the door zone of cars. An opening car door that hits a bicyclist can catapult that bicyclist into the traffic lane. I also tell bicyclist that if a bicycle lane puts them in the door zone then don't ride in that bicycle lane. Fortunately here we don't have to ride in a bicycle lane if we can show that doing so constitues a hazard to the bicyclist.

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