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Old 08-10-16, 02:05 PM
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Great to hear that there was an accounting. Hopefully this will reduce the tendency to sweep under the rug in the future.
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You're lucky that a lot of news outlets love running "local official did something bad" stories. They may do a story yet, if they feel there's enough to report on other than "he said/he said."
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Rewrite your statement... it contains a few flaws, such as "their" when you mean "they're". Also you poorly worded being cut off the first time... be more verbose.
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Originally Posted by corrado33
If the police didn't show up, it essentially didn't happen. It's hearsay.

Sorry.
I don't think hearsay is what you think it is, but I agree that the police really don't care if they don't see it themselves. They know it isn't going anywhere.
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Originally Posted by NYMXer
Update, thanks to Assemblywoman Aileen Gunther and her staff, esp Allison for speaking directly with Chief Watt from the Village of Goshen PD, the charges are now "criminal harassment" and of permanent record. This way, should he ever repeat this road rage, it will show a pattern of behavior and they can use this incident to ramp up any repeat offenses. Good job to all who helped, I feel better now. Thanks for all the support and private messages too.
Awesome news! Good on you for persisting with this. I hope it does make the news, too - drivers need to realize they are operating a potentially deadly weapon and inappropriate use can result in serious consequences.
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Old 08-10-16, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by genec
Rewrite your statement... it contains a few flaws, such as "their" when you mean "they're". Also you poorly worded being cut off the first time... be more verbose.
I didn't write any of it, the officer did. I made two corrections and he did not appreciate my spelling or grammar corrections to his typed report so I just signed it and let it go. You should have seen the first copy, it was OMG horrible and the logic was not followable. Remember that he did not want to take my statement and actually told me it was best to just let it go. I refused and insisted on him taking my statement or I was to the county Sheriff with my complaint. He took it and was sloppy with it, I feel on purpose.
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Originally Posted by corrado33
If the police didn't show up, it essentially didn't happen. It's hearsay.

Sorry.
Absolutely the opposite happened. Thanks for your support
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Old 08-10-16, 03:23 PM
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Great job getting some attention to it. It should meet the legal definition for assault. Good story angle would be that the police, DA, etc, are all protecting one of their own. Assault can also result in civil liability. From Wikipedia:

An assault is carried out by a threat of bodily harm coupled with an apparent, present ability to cause the harm. It is both a crime and a tort and, therefore, may result in either criminal and/or civil liability. Generally, the common law definition is the same in criminal and tort law.

You could file in small claims court for your rim, a picture of the complaint would be a nice shot to add to a news report.
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Originally Posted by WizardOfBoz
Any official body, if its lazy (or, to be fair, overworked) will try to quash complaints like this with inertia. The pressure point is publicity that affects them directly, and affects elected officials.
Picture this scenario, as I was giving my statement, there was a total of NINE police officers walking around the station. The village is so small that you wouldn't think they would have nine officers in total, let alone 9 on duty at once. There were even probably more out on patrol (sarcasm) but true.
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Old 08-10-16, 03:52 PM
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Some time ago when I still lived in NY, there was a hotel called The Goshen Inn, right across from the old race track. There were some retired jazz men living in the area and Saturday nights they would come in to jam and filled the room with fans. For the price of a few drinks you would here very fine music. That is no doubt gone now
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Originally Posted by gregf83
Many? Are you suggesting there's ever been a case of a cyclist killing someone for cutting them off? I think that's only in the minds of internet tough guys.
I guess I see how you get there, but that's a pretty strong extrapolation. My point is that there's a number of costs for the police not doing anything. One possible consequence is that cyclists arm themselves. This already HAS happened, btw (my friend's story). Doing nothing, and expecting the public not to react in some way is not realistic.

If you read the original post, a driver got so offended after the OP touched his car that he used it as a weapon. I don't get out much, but even I see people feel so insulted by innocuous stuff that they threaten or attack others. There's a lot of nut-bags out there. The police can attend to things like this and in so doing discourage the nuts so that folks like the OP can feel safe, or they can ignore it and end up with some folks taking matters into their own hands.

I'd prefer folks have a spare inner tube and bandaids in their bike bag, not a Glock. And that they could bike knowing that law enforcement would at least try to discourage the nuts.
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Originally Posted by Oldguyonoldbike
If local police won't do anything, try county sherrif's office or state highway patrol.
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Old 08-10-16, 06:26 PM
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Another approach is to find the driver's insurance company, and tell them about how this person drives.
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Old 08-10-16, 08:19 PM
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I just did a bit of clean up- three posts between the OP and one other member (they know who they are).
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Old 08-10-16, 09:22 PM
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Time for a video camera eh?
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Well done by the OP.

Seems it is time for gregf83 to stop his repeated 'let it go' crap.
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Originally Posted by kevindsingleton
You don't always have to kill someone in order to use a g*n to defend yourself.

Exaggerate, much?
Do you have a CCP? My understanding was you were not really allowed to brandish your weapon unless your life was threatened and you were prepared to use it. I didn't think you were able to wave a gun around threatening someone but I'll admit I'm not familiar with CC rules.
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Well done by the OP.

Seems it is time for gregf83 to stop his repeated 'let it go' crap.
I agreed it was appropriate to file a report for future incidents.
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Originally Posted by gregf83
I agreed it was appropriate to file a report for future incidents.
To be more precious with what you said:
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Let it go. You can't expect anyone to prosecute this. Filing a report is fine in case something happens in the future to your or someone else but beyond that it's just another road rage incident.
Seems the OP was able to accomplish far more than you claimed he could. Time for you to stop the repeated 'let it go' crap.
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Originally Posted by CB HI
To be more precious with what you said:
Seems the OP was able to accomplish far more than you claimed he could. Time for you to stop the repeated 'let it go' crap.
Let it go.
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Originally Posted by gregf83
Let it go.
After you.
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Originally Posted by gregf83
Do you have a CCP? My understanding was you were not really allowed to brandish your weapon unless your life was threatened and you were prepared to use it. I didn't think you were able to wave a gun around threatening someone but I'll admit I'm not familiar with CC rules.
It's actually a license, in Pennsylvania, but I had a Texas carry permit, when I lived, there, too. "Brandish" is an offensive act. That's not the same as defending yourself. "Wav(ing) a gun around" is, also, different from defending yourself. The state doesn't demand that you kill someone when confronted in order to comply with the carry law.

It's worth learning about, and much better than operating off of assumptions or the advice of internet "experts". Probably best to start with the laws in your state, and expand, from there.

Didn't realize you were in Canada. Ignore that last part, eh?

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Originally Posted by NYMXer
I didn't write any of it, the officer did. I made two corrections and he did not appreciate my spelling or grammar corrections to his typed report so I just signed it and let it go. You should have seen the first copy, it was OMG horrible and the logic was not followable. Remember that he did not want to take my statement and actually told me it was best to just let it go. I refused and insisted on him taking my statement or I was to the county Sheriff with my complaint. He took it and was sloppy with it, I feel on purpose.
That statement is not going to do you any favors... it was so poorly written. You may wish to write one of your own and be prepared to present it.
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Originally Posted by genec
That statement is not going to do you any favors... it was so poorly written. You may wish to write one of your own and be prepared to present it.
I wrote a very detailed set of my own notes, and even went back to the site and took supporting pictures knowing that the police report was poor. You can't believe the resistance I got from the officer to do his job.

Once my Assemblywoman stepped in, things changed fast. She also let the Police Chief know that she will be following up on this and calling the DA. The chief got the message loud and clear and I learned that I need to make sure I take proper measures now to have a better recollection later when the court date arrives.

While I don't expect a police officer to be a gifted novelist, I was expecting a little more talent at writing a report, something they do routinely in their course of conducting business.
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