This Is Quite The Twist In A Car-Bike Incident
11-08-16, 05:01 PM
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That is sick that someone would resort to murder.
Regardless of their form of transportation.
Regardless of their form of transportation.
11-08-16, 09:35 PM
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Criminal on a bicycle doing a car jacking to upgrade his ride.
This murder sounds similar to that cyclist killed by the MP in Canada that got off free for that murder. Hopefully this guy pays the full penalty.
This murder sounds similar to that cyclist killed by the MP in Canada that got off free for that murder. Hopefully this guy pays the full penalty.
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11-08-16, 09:41 PM
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What happened to the cyclist's bike? Can they not get fingerprints off of it? Wonder if that would help track him down.
11-08-16, 10:30 PM
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Let's look at it a bit differently. In L.A. it is illegal to harass a cyclist, and honking at him when there is no imminent danger explicitly qualifies, so the motorist starts this thing off by unlawfully harassing the cyclist (who, while riding on the wrong side of the street, wasn't doing anything provocative). In response to the illegal harassment, the cyclist does a bit of property damage (note to self: if someone can break a windshield with his fist, consider him to be a poked bear and run like hell). So, now both have broken the law, but give the tie-breaker to the one who started it by honking.
Now, instead of driving away, the motorist gets out and tries to beat on the cyclist. Naturally, the cyclist gives better than he gets and the motorist goes down. If the cyclist now simply leaves, he's got a clearly deranged motorist who is likely to escalate again (from horn to fisticuffs to 5000 pound kinetic energy weapon), so that's out. The only rational choice in terms of survival is to remove the motorist's access to his car, which he does.
Unfortunately, the motorist insisted on trying to get into a moving vehicle. That rarely ends well and, not surprisingly, resulted in an irreversibly bad outcome.
At each and every juncture save one (when the cyclist reacted to the horn by bashing the windshield), the motorist chose to escalate an otherwise nothing encounter. I'm obviously not ready to hang the cyclist yet. In fact, other than the windshield thing, I'm not sure I wouldn't have done what he did.
Now, instead of driving away, the motorist gets out and tries to beat on the cyclist. Naturally, the cyclist gives better than he gets and the motorist goes down. If the cyclist now simply leaves, he's got a clearly deranged motorist who is likely to escalate again (from horn to fisticuffs to 5000 pound kinetic energy weapon), so that's out. The only rational choice in terms of survival is to remove the motorist's access to his car, which he does.
Unfortunately, the motorist insisted on trying to get into a moving vehicle. That rarely ends well and, not surprisingly, resulted in an irreversibly bad outcome.
At each and every juncture save one (when the cyclist reacted to the horn by bashing the windshield), the motorist chose to escalate an otherwise nothing encounter. I'm obviously not ready to hang the cyclist yet. In fact, other than the windshield thing, I'm not sure I wouldn't have done what he did.
11-08-16, 11:29 PM
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I doubt the cyclist even cracked the windshield (not stated that he did), so no property damage on his part. Rather than driving the car off, he would have been justified in taking the keys and tossing them across the road or into a trash can, avoiding GTA and kidnapping charges and then the charge for the death.
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11-09-16, 07:47 AM
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It states plainly in the article that the cyclist PUNCHED out the front windshield. From the outside, that is not an easy feat unless it was already damaged or cracked. Right then would have been the point that an average individual would have considered that and thought either they were really strong, or jacked up on some good drugs. Everything that went down after that was the driver being a dumbass.
Be willing to bet the description of the cyclist now includes cast on one hand.
Be willing to bet the description of the cyclist now includes cast on one hand.
11-09-16, 08:18 AM
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11-09-16, 09:04 AM
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All other details aside, I thought it was pretty much common sense not to pick a fight with a guy who can win against a laminated windshield. This is how vending machines still kill people every year-- people don't recognize their limitations.
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Police are searching for a man involved in a road rage incident that they say escalated into a killing and then theft of the victim’s car, CBS Los Angeles reports.
Neighbors at a Van Nuys apartment say they heard a loud crash and saw a man lying in the middle of the street with shattered glass everywhere at around 10 p.m. Sunday.
The LAPD says a 37 year-old man and his wife were in their car going northbound on Sepulveda Boulevard when a man on a bike was riding southbound toward their car. When the driver honked at the bicyclist, the bicyclist punched the car’s front windshield. That’s when the driver got out of the car and a fight broke out. The bicyclist hit the driver and sent him to the ground.
The bicyclist then got into the car, but as he started to drive away, the 37 year-old man’s wife jumped out. Her husband, not knowing she had gotten out, grabbed the driver’s side door. As the bicyclist drove off, he rammed the driver’s side door against parked cars. The 37 year-old man later died from his injuries and the bicyclist got away in the car.
Investigators don’t have much to go on. The suspect is only described as 5-foot-11, 20 to 30 years old, he was wearing a dark hooded sweatshirt and dark pants. If you have any information call the LAPD Valley Bureau homicide detectives.
Neighbors at a Van Nuys apartment say they heard a loud crash and saw a man lying in the middle of the street with shattered glass everywhere at around 10 p.m. Sunday.
The LAPD says a 37 year-old man and his wife were in their car going northbound on Sepulveda Boulevard when a man on a bike was riding southbound toward their car. When the driver honked at the bicyclist, the bicyclist punched the car’s front windshield. That’s when the driver got out of the car and a fight broke out. The bicyclist hit the driver and sent him to the ground.
The bicyclist then got into the car, but as he started to drive away, the 37 year-old man’s wife jumped out. Her husband, not knowing she had gotten out, grabbed the driver’s side door. As the bicyclist drove off, he rammed the driver’s side door against parked cars. The 37 year-old man later died from his injuries and the bicyclist got away in the car.
Investigators don’t have much to go on. The suspect is only described as 5-foot-11, 20 to 30 years old, he was wearing a dark hooded sweatshirt and dark pants. If you have any information call the LAPD Valley Bureau homicide detectives.
11-09-16, 11:49 AM
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I don't see where he punched out the window either unless people are inferring from the "shattered glass everywhere", which could have occurred during the get away collision. Either way sounds like the driver got more than he bargained for. Reminds me a little of this local incident from a couple of years ago.
Police: Cyclist appears justified after fight that left delivery driver dead
Police: Cyclist appears justified after fight that left delivery driver dead
11-09-16, 11:50 AM
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11-09-16, 12:02 PM
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I don't see where he punched out the window either unless people are inferring from the "shattered glass everywhere", which could have occurred during the get away collision. Either way sounds like the driver got more than he bargained for. Reminds me a little of this local incident from a couple of years ago.
Police: Cyclist appears justified after fight that left delivery driver dead
Police: Cyclist appears justified after fight that left delivery driver dead
11-09-16, 12:09 PM
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It would take a human being of absolutely incredible strength to "punch," out a windshield, period. I doubt such a human actually exists.
This cyclist probably did not even, "punch," the windshield (as in boxing). Probably had a balled up fist and rained a blow down on the windshield.
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This cyclist probably did not even, "punch," the windshield (as in boxing). Probably had a balled up fist and rained a blow down on the windshield.
11-09-16, 01:12 PM
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When the driver honked at the bicyclist, the bicyclist punched the car’s front windshield.
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11-09-16, 02:06 PM
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And one more reason why I doubt the windshield was punched out.
It would take a human being of absolutely incredible strength to "punch," out a windshield, period. I doubt such a human actually exists.
This cyclist probably did not even, "punch," the windshield (as in boxing). Probably had a balled up fist and rained a blow down on the windshield.
It would take a human being of absolutely incredible strength to "punch," out a windshield, period. I doubt such a human actually exists.
This cyclist probably did not even, "punch," the windshield (as in boxing). Probably had a balled up fist and rained a blow down on the windshield.
My interpretation was due to the "shattered glass everywhere" stated, and didn't really consider it COULD have been from the further collision with other vehicles.
My brother in law, big dopey George of a fellow, punched out several car windshields as a younger man without even a bruised hand. Saw two of them myself.
11-09-16, 03:32 PM
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And one more reason why I doubt the windshield was punched out.
It would take a human being of absolutely incredible strength to "punch," out a windshield, period. I doubt such a human actually exists.
This cyclist probably did not even, "punch," the windshield (as in boxing). Probably had a balled up fist and rained a blow down on the windshield.
It would take a human being of absolutely incredible strength to "punch," out a windshield, period. I doubt such a human actually exists.
This cyclist probably did not even, "punch," the windshield (as in boxing). Probably had a balled up fist and rained a blow down on the windshield.
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11-09-16, 03:40 PM
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All the debate about how hard the murderer hit the windshield is really secondary. The driver honked, then escalated the resultant incident. However, murdering someone because they honked then got out of the car is simply animalistic or insane. Solution, when confronted with a clear crazy its best not to engage, especially when you can drive away. Or ride away for than matter
11-09-16, 03:42 PM
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My interpretation was due to the "shattered glass everywhere" stated, and didn't really consider it COULD have been from the further collision with other vehicles.
My brother in law, big dopey George of a fellow, punched out several car windshields as a younger man without even a bruised hand. Saw two of them myself.
My brother in law, big dopey George of a fellow, punched out several car windshields as a younger man without even a bruised hand. Saw two of them myself.
Cool.
11-09-16, 04:15 PM
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Let's look at it a bit differently. In L.A. it is illegal to harass a cyclist, and honking at him when there is no imminent danger explicitly qualifies, so the motorist starts this thing off by unlawfully harassing the cyclist (who, while riding on the wrong side of the street, wasn't doing anything provocative). In response to the illegal harassment, the cyclist does a bit of property damage (note to self: if someone can break a windshield with his fist, consider him to be a poked bear and run like hell). So, now both have broken the law, but give the tie-breaker to the one who started it by honking.
Now, instead of driving away, the motorist gets out and tries to beat on the cyclist. Naturally, the cyclist gives better than he gets and the motorist goes down. If the cyclist now simply leaves, he's got a clearly deranged motorist who is likely to escalate again (from horn to fisticuffs to 5000 pound kinetic energy weapon), so that's out. The only rational choice in terms of survival is to remove the motorist's access to his car, which he does.
Unfortunately, the motorist insisted on trying to get into a moving vehicle. That rarely ends well and, not surprisingly, resulted in an irreversibly bad outcome.
At each and every juncture save one (when the cyclist reacted to the horn by bashing the windshield), the motorist chose to escalate an otherwise nothing encounter. I'm obviously not ready to hang the cyclist yet. In fact, other than the windshield thing, I'm not sure I wouldn't have done what he did.
Now, instead of driving away, the motorist gets out and tries to beat on the cyclist. Naturally, the cyclist gives better than he gets and the motorist goes down. If the cyclist now simply leaves, he's got a clearly deranged motorist who is likely to escalate again (from horn to fisticuffs to 5000 pound kinetic energy weapon), so that's out. The only rational choice in terms of survival is to remove the motorist's access to his car, which he does.
Unfortunately, the motorist insisted on trying to get into a moving vehicle. That rarely ends well and, not surprisingly, resulted in an irreversibly bad outcome.
At each and every juncture save one (when the cyclist reacted to the horn by bashing the windshield), the motorist chose to escalate an otherwise nothing encounter. I'm obviously not ready to hang the cyclist yet. In fact, other than the windshield thing, I'm not sure I wouldn't have done what he did.
The article does not say that the cyclist was on the wrong side of the road but only that the motorist was northbound and the cyclists was southbound.
Even if he was on the wrong side of the road, honking at a cyclist riding on the wrong side of the road is not harassment.
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11-10-16, 08:09 AM
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