"I am not going to break a law to follow another law"
12-07-16, 05:29 PM
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"I am not going to break a law to follow another law"
CHP dumb logic and disregard for cyclist safety.
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12-07-16, 05:41 PM
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Really dumb logic.
If the cop didn't think he could pass safely without violating the law, he shouldn't have passed at all. In Massachusetts it's illegal to cross a double yellow line but it's done all the time to get by parked Fed Ex trucks, mail trucks and even lowly cyclists.
It's pretty bad when a cop puts rigid adherence to the letter of the law over public safety. Clearly, this guy doesn't understand the essence of his job.
If the cop didn't think he could pass safely without violating the law, he shouldn't have passed at all. In Massachusetts it's illegal to cross a double yellow line but it's done all the time to get by parked Fed Ex trucks, mail trucks and even lowly cyclists.
It's pretty bad when a cop puts rigid adherence to the letter of the law over public safety. Clearly, this guy doesn't understand the essence of his job.
12-07-16, 05:51 PM
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The CVC code specifying that one drive on the right side of the road (21650) has a number of explicit exceptions including a) when passing and e) when the roadway is of insufficient width. Therefore the CHP officer would not have been violating 21650 by going onto the other side while passing the cyclists.
12-07-16, 05:58 PM
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The CVC code specifying that one drive on the right side of the road (21650) has a number of explicit exceptions including a) when passing and e) when the roadway is of insufficient width. Therefore the CHP officer would not have been violating 21650 by going onto the other side while passing the cyclists.
What other side? Seriously. What other side? The road was narrow as ****. There are better examples of cagers behaving badly around cyclists one could find, I think. IMO both cyclists acted like whiny brats. Gives us all a bad name. And... not to put too fine a point on it but, I would have been killed, if I tried to bait an LEO into a protracted back and forth over procedure like that. Oh the entitlement...
12-07-16, 05:59 PM
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Who stopped who? Police stopping bike, or bike stopping police?
Are we missing something. I don't see anything indicating a close pass... perhaps the police car passed the bicycles going the other way and circled back?
Nothing looked dangerous about the situation in the video. Rough Road?
Fast descents can be treacherous, but the bikes don't seem to be going that fast.
Are we missing something. I don't see anything indicating a close pass... perhaps the police car passed the bicycles going the other way and circled back?
Nothing looked dangerous about the situation in the video. Rough Road?
Fast descents can be treacherous, but the bikes don't seem to be going that fast.
12-07-16, 06:03 PM
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Who stopped who? Police stopping bike, or bike stopping police?
Are we missing something. I don't see anything indicating a close pass... perhaps the police car passed the bicycles going the other way and circled back?
Nothing looked dangerous about the situation in the video. Rough Road?
Fast descents can be treacherous, but the bikes don't seem to be going that fast.
Are we missing something. I don't see anything indicating a close pass... perhaps the police car passed the bicycles going the other way and circled back?
Nothing looked dangerous about the situation in the video. Rough Road?
Fast descents can be treacherous, but the bikes don't seem to be going that fast.
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12-07-16, 06:05 PM
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What other side? Seriously. What other side? The road was narrow as ****. There are better examples of cagers behaving badly around cyclists one could find, I think. IMO both cyclists acted like whiny brats. Gives us all a bad name. And... not to put too fine a point on it but, I would have been killed, if I tried to bait an LEO into a protracted back and forth over procedure like that. Oh the entitlement...
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12-07-16, 06:22 PM
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This rates a big "been there, done that".
We had a thread about this video clip some time back. I'll venture that the same cast of characters posted the same, or very similar comments back than as we'll get on the rebound.
In any case, I don't see any basis for comment, since whatever incident is being discussed happened off camera before the video clip.
We had a thread about this video clip some time back. I'll venture that the same cast of characters posted the same, or very similar comments back than as we'll get on the rebound.
In any case, I don't see any basis for comment, since whatever incident is being discussed happened off camera before the video clip.
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12-07-16, 06:47 PM
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Published on Jul 12, 2015Glendora Mountain Road and Glendora Ridge Road are popular cycling routes. On the morning of 7/11/15, this CHP officer was patrolling GMR / GRR. He passed us on GMR well within California's 3 foot required clearance. Later on GRR, he passed us again, this time with even less clearance - about one foot. This was completely unnecessary. As the video shows, there are no lane demarcation lines on this road because it is less than two lanes wide. We were riding single file on the white line on a straight stretch of road with no oncoming traffic. This video was taken after the officer turned around (after the close pass) and returned and we flagged him down. We later learned that this officer had been doing the same thing to other cyclists all up and down this stretch of road. Listen to his arrogance and twisted logic. A complaint has been filed with the CHP. This cop is dangerous & needs to be removed from duty.
They are yelling about an event that has been clipped from the video.
And there is no way for anybody to know exactly what happened. How close the pass was, speeds involved, or visibility.
Just two cyclists presenting evidence that they an bully police officers.
12-07-16, 07:04 PM
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My apologies, I did not know YouTube clipped the videos like that, I have always opened videos in a new window.
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12-07-16, 07:06 PM
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Listening to the video again... considering the off-camera events.
The cyclists were quite argumentative. But... I do agree, the police officer seems to not know how to drive.
How does one pass another vehicle?
It doesn't really make a difference if there is no center marking. He should be in the same lane position to where he was when he stopped to talk to the cyclists.
If he can't pass without giving a few feet, then he shouldn't be passing.
Cyclists should move over... but if they were riding 25 MPH on a rough road, they're entitled to a big chunk of the road. 40 MPH on a road that rough, curves? And center of the lane.
The cyclists were quite argumentative. But... I do agree, the police officer seems to not know how to drive.
How does one pass another vehicle?
- Verify lane ahead is clear and the sight line is good.
- Move over into the oncoming lane.
- Safely Pass
- Move back into the traffic lane
It doesn't really make a difference if there is no center marking. He should be in the same lane position to where he was when he stopped to talk to the cyclists.
If he can't pass without giving a few feet, then he shouldn't be passing.
Cyclists should move over... but if they were riding 25 MPH on a rough road, they're entitled to a big chunk of the road. 40 MPH on a road that rough, curves? And center of the lane.
12-07-16, 07:42 PM
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Plus, the cyclist even said he was riding on the white line. Not much more the cyclist could have done if that is true.
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Cop said he wasn't going to break a law to follow another law.
When laws are in conflict like that, it can't be HELPED. Sounds like excuse-making to me.
And OF COURSE, the typical "all the way to the right" BS.
When laws are in conflict like that, it can't be HELPED. Sounds like excuse-making to me.
And OF COURSE, the typical "all the way to the right" BS.
12-07-16, 09:17 PM
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That road in the video is the same size as a two-lane road outside the town I live in. The CHP officer is 'out to lunch'.
12-07-16, 09:36 PM
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So if there was a car parked on the side of the road this idiot would not go on the other side of the road to pass it? So the he would just sit on his side and wait till the parked car moved? Also if you watch the video as he is coming back up the road, he is almost off the road and on the white line. I think he has a problem judging things to his right. You have to remember that most cops will never admit when they are wrong. Then they wonder where the love is!
12-07-16, 10:01 PM
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Of course being confrontational on the part of both the cyclist and rider is not going to resolve a thing.
Best thing for the cyclist is to know and cite the specific laws and ask the officer to look them up.
And on a road that narrow, EVERYONE should work to cooperate. Sheesh!
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He may not be right, but he is always a cop. Say "Yes Sir" a lot and move on with your life. Cops are above the law and everybody should know this. My expectations for cop behavior is pretty low and I am rarely disappointed. And I have never been pepper-sprayed or tazed thanks to my understanding of this concept.
I had a childhood friend who became a cop. If he had an argument with his wife he would go out looking for someone to curb-stomp. Keep this in mind during your next confrontation.
Let. It. Go.
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I had a childhood friend who became a cop. If he had an argument with his wife he would go out looking for someone to curb-stomp. Keep this in mind during your next confrontation.
Let. It. Go.
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12-08-16, 12:10 PM
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were they discussing that road in particular, cuz I don't see any lines on that road