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Old 01-02-17, 02:50 PM   #51
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The problem with allowing cyclists to ride thru lights is that many (I've seen it) do it in a way that forces others to yield to them.

I stop at lights, but I do practice the Idaho stop at stop signs, but again this is something many cyclists do wrong. They seem to think that the whole purpose of the law is so you don't have to stop, period. False, if there are other cars there before you, you must stop and allow them thru. You only roll thru if all is clear.

I don't have a problem with bikes going thru stop signs/lights if they did it in a way that does not force others to brake/yield for them, but that's just not the case and that's why you see so much animosity against cyclists in the big cities.

P.S. The only reason I don't have a problem with cyclists running lights (responsibly) is because we are an extreme minority. If the numbers grow, then you must start obeying traffic laws. It'd be havoc otherwise.
There is no "havoc" in following the Idaho stop laws... those laws AND common sense both require the cyclist to yield to any traffic on cross streets... so the Idaho stop law is not an invitation to just "blast through." And reality is that cyclists that DO tend to "blast through" are potential Darwin Award winners.
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Old 01-03-17, 05:42 AM   #52
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There is no "havoc" in following the Idaho stop laws... those laws AND common sense both require the cyclist to yield to any traffic on cross streets... so the Idaho stop law is not an invitation to just "blast through." And reality is that cyclists that DO tend to "blast through" are potential Darwin Award winners.
I didn't say the ISL is an invitation to blast thru. I think most people could see in the post you quoted, that basically I support the idea of the ISL.

I noted a problem based on my observations, but that doesn't mean I'm against enacting the law.

P.S. The "havoc" remark was more about how many cyclists are on the road. As I've said before, I use the ISL at stop signs.
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Old 01-03-17, 01:26 PM   #53
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That's why you always need to keep your head on a swivel and check side streets for oncoming traffic. I always slow down considerably at stop signs, may not always come to a complete stop, but I'm looking back & forth several times to make sure nobody's coming before I proceed through.
Yes, But at traffic lights. Some motorists' want to make the green so bad that, any road user(including an ambulance, firetruck, or police vehicle on a call). Might as well be 'fair game' for getting in s motorist's way.
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Old 01-03-17, 04:27 PM   #54
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I live in a suburban neighborhood and the great majority of drivers are courteous (mostly) and attentive (mostly). However, some of those driving around (kids to school, late to work, out-of-habit-going-to-work) are sometimes incompetent, senseless drivers, as our weekly-published stats confirm.


I dress to be seen -- like a clown; Yellow/orange/green (long-sleeved) shirt, green or yellow helmet and reflective tape. Bright lights fore and aft.


Our Ventura Sheriff’s department is the most thoughtful, tolerant and respected police agency I have ever worked with and I’ve worked with a few. They have a practical approach to enforcement and allow us bikers some leeway with the letter of the law. To wit:
• It’s okay to not completely stop at a four-way if there is no other traffic and no chance of alarming other drivers. We are, though, expected to slow to at least a walking pace; no blasting though at speed. These deputies, many of whom are bikers themselves, understand that stopping and putting a foot down can be a bit of a pain.
• It’s okay to “run” a red light or red left-turn light if:
1) You stop first and the traffic computer doesn’t ‘see’ you.
2) And, it is safe to do so without alarming normal traffic.

Our more common traffic dangers are:
* The most common around here is drivers that do not stop at “stop” lines. I have witnessed two accidents where such drivers rapidly drove into the edge of the intersection blocking the sidewalk and children riding on the sidewalk, which is legal here, have then run into the car(s). There was one injury and the driver fled the scene; I got the license number and driver description and she went to jail. A senior deputy told me that this is the most common serious bicycle injury in the county.
* Opening doors without looking --- just like everywhere else.
* “Right Hooks” --- just like everywhere else.
* Close passes sometimes actually brushing the biker. This happened to me three years ago; two broken ribs, broken clavicle and a smashed helmet. I’ve ridden more than 600,000 miles on motorcycles, fell down six times and this is the first time I’ve ever had a helmet touch the ground.

I’ve been yelled at (“Get on the sidewalk!” “Get off the road!”) and so-on. And, I was attacked once by a road rager; he went to the hospital and then to jail (he had other issues). His car was towed because it had four slashed tires and he was in hospital. ;o)

Joe

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* The most common around here is drivers that do not stop at “stop” lines. I have witnessed two accidents where such drivers rapidly drove into the edge of the intersection blocking the sidewalk and children riding on the sidewalk, which is legal here, have then run into the car(s). There was one injury and the driver fled the scene; I got the license number and driver description and she went to jail. A senior deputy told me that this is the most common serious bicycle injury in the county.
Back before I trashed my knee, I used to run a bit in Dallas, and more than once I launched up on the tire of a car in a crosswalk and went over the hood...always making sure to step on the hood itself at least once. Not sure if I was intimidating enough at the time to avoid consequences, or if people were just too shocked at a big guy suddenly running across their hood without breaking stride to do anything.

Last near miss was a left cross on a long downhill. He would have been clear before I got there, but for whatever reason, came to almost a full stop with the back of his car still in the highway and completely blocking the shoulder. I just made it around him, luckily without being run over by the car about to pass me that was also swerving to miss him, and almost fell trying to kick his taillight.
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That's why you always need to keep your head on a swivel and check side streets for oncoming traffic. I always slow down considerably at stop signs, may not always come to a complete stop, but I'm looking back & forth several times to make sure nobody's coming before I proceed through.
Understandable.
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