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View Poll Results: Earphones: yea or nay? (There's no electoral college here.)
I wear earphones while riding, at least sometimes 37 33.94%
I've tried them, won't do it again 13 11.93%
Haven't tried them, might 10 9.17%
Have never tried them, never will 49 44.95%
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Old 12-20-16, 10:49 AM   #101
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That's just me. Do whatever you want.
Bashing on folks for not doing it how you do it is far from "do whatever you want".

White noise is boring to me. It may not be to you, but I grew up in the country, I know what nature sounds like, and it is fairly redundant. Urban noise, even more so. Can I get by without headphones? Easily, I do everytime I am in some sort of organized event. Empirically, I don't really find myself to be any happier without headphones than with. When you are out on a regular route, it is simply something to break up the monotony.

Not to mention, if I don't have something going in my ear to focus on, I wind up with an inner monologue and musings going on, which is FAR more distracting from the act of cycling than a bit of music or a ball game.
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I just manage my time effectively, so that I am not tempted to do too many things at-once. Why would I listen to music at home, go out and listen to music for 2-3 hours on my bike, and then go home and listen to music?...There are times when I'd rather relax and "tune in" to my environment than to stay over-stimulated and to "tune out", basically trying to ignore a certain portion of what I am experiencing. That's just me. Do whatever you want.
Why would someone want to listen to music whenever they can?
Some people, including some cyclists, prefer listening to music/ballgame/podcast/audiobook rather than "the environment" and are capable of handling the "task" without drama.
You prefer listening to "the environment" and are welcome to it.

"Do whatever you want."
Sounds like a good plan!
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@jef: I have never felt a sense of "monotony" or bhoredom while riding. I think of it as rather a thrill.
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I keep seeing posts about drivers playing music, and not being able to hear much going on in terms of traffic around them, as an explanation for earbud use making little difference.

I don't buy the comparison/analogy - cars are much larger and more visible to each other. Yeah I know, many cyclists wear safety vests and bright lights. It doesn't always help. I have also read about motorcyclists complaining how they are frequently not seen by car traffic, even though plainly visible. A fair number of drivers simply don't look out for other traffic other than cars and trucks, particularly if they are not used to seeing them much as part of their daily driving routine.
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I keep seeing posts about drivers playing music, and not being able to hear much going on in terms of traffic around them, as an explanation for earbud use making little difference.

I don't buy the comparison/analogy - cars are much larger and more visible to each other. Yeah I know, many cyclists wear safety vests and bright lights. It doesn't always help. I have also read about motorcyclists complaining how they are frequently not seen by car traffic, even though plainly visible. A fair number of drivers simply don't look out for other traffic other than cars and trucks, particularly if they are not used to seeing them much as part of their daily driving routine.
Huh? Having headphones on neither adds to nor detracts how visible a cyclist is. And even with headphones on, as a cyclist and elsewise open to your surroundings, you will STILL hear more than a driver will.

Sorry, not trying to be a jerk, I just don't know where you are going with this
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I am not sure this is correct; however, it is certainly sub-topical at this moment.
You admitted that you do not know the law, only what your trucking bosses told you to do. So all your post on this are pointless and flawed. More of your arguing just to argue.
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Huh? Having headphones on neither adds to nor detracts how visible a cyclist is. And even with headphones on, as a cyclist and elsewise open to your surroundings, you will STILL hear more than a driver will.

Sorry, not trying to be a jerk, I just don't know where you are going with this
yeah, don't mean to imply that headphones affect visibility, just that cyclists are more vulnerable in terms of visibility in general. For some that means they need to be even more aware of their traffic environment.
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When I ride alone I ride with music using a single mono earbud which I take out if I'm downtown or in any kind of traffic situation...which is rare. I also use a mirror to keep an eye out behind me.
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I personally use an external speaker for use with scanners or other handheld radios attached to my handlebars with a velcro strap. Of course the audio out from my phone is too weak to drive that speaker so I soldered together an amplifier circuit and installed it in the speaker housing. That works really well for my morning 10 mile rides around town which were getting boring. Now I can listen to episodes of CBS Radio Mystery Theater while I ride and keep myself entertained.

However, my wife bought some bluetooth headphones for herself, and she might be getting me a pair. If I use them while riding, I'll only use one in my right ear and leave my left ear free.
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You admitted that you do not know the law, only what your trucking bosses told you to do. So all your post on this are pointless and flawed. More of your arguing just to argue.
It seems my posts are not pointless after all. It seems you are required to signal lane changes in Indiana.

But hey, you go right out if you drive a car and merge into another lane in front of a police officer, without signaling, if you like.

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Efficient in communicating the intent to traffic behind to change lanes or left/right turns. Not very effective for signalling passing and actually confusing leaving your turn signal on while passing.

Why not use hand signals for your passing if you claim such signal are so efficient for passing?
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It seems my posts are not pointless after all. It seems you are required to signal lane changes in Indiana.
Please read peoples post more carefully. Of course you are required to use your turn signal for a lane change. And the turn signal is efficient in communicating the intent to traffic behind to change lanes. But that same turn signal is not efficient in communicating the intent to traffic ahead.

And on a freeway or multi-lane highway, if you are already in a different lane there is no requirement to use a turn signal while passing. So your claim that one must always use a turn signal by law while passing is wrong.
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Why would you degrade your safety to listen to poor quality audio?
...of course many will have a reason...(or more accurately an excuse.)
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….Also, mea culpa, there is enough of a difference between earbuds and earphones to make clear the distinction, as the latter are configured to block out more environmental noise because they burrow into the canal. (Until I read up on them just now I thought I used earphones. Id on’t.) My chief interest wasn’t in the exact delivery system, but if you’re plugged in at all; and if not, if the perception of danger kept you from doing it, or your experience informed you

I’ve never tried audio books either, so this is speaking from ignorance, but I’d think there would be a greater possibility of distraction – if only because songs have a certain expected rhythm, but who knows where a book will take you! However, I reckon that those who read with their ears or listen to podcasts can manage just fine...
My variation of earphones (? headphones) is depicted below. These cost about $20, and sound fine, yet are open enough to hear ambient noise, and fit nicely under my helmet.

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I use earbuds for all my commutes. It makes it a much more pleasant experience being able to listen to music or podcasts then just constant traffic noise,including big diesel engines and air brakes of 18 wheelers and dump trucks.Those are very loud, especially right next to you. I can still hear better than all the cagers with their radios turned up and them sealed off from the world. Luxury vehicles are even worse - they have much better sound insulation. When riding around in my BILs car, there is no outside noise to hear.

Commute is boring, not much in the way of being able to dramatically change the route, and 80% of it is on a 4 lane road with a bike lane and a constant flow of cars and trucks.
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As a decades-long, year-round urban commuter, road cyclist, tourist, and victim of a rear end hit-and-run (by a distracted driver), this expresses also my attitude towards audio input while riding. My routes are not boring, but certainly familiar and routine. I mostly listen to radio talk shows, and occasionally music. Years ago I found when driving, I was distracted from audiobooks, and had to keep rewinding.

BTW, my screen name, “Jim from Boston,” refers to my identification when I (rarely) call in to talk shows, “… and now here’s Jim from Boston… What’s up Jim?...” My favorite calls in to talk shows are replies to rants about cyclists, and I refer to myself as the Station’s Number One Fan among Boston’s Cyclists.
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And on a freeway or multi-lane highway, if you are already in a different lane there is no requirement to use a turn signal while passing. So your claim that one must always use a turn signal by law while passing is wrong.
Where did he claim that "one must always?"

In any event, your claim that there is no requirement varies by region and by law. For example:

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(4) Wer zum Überholen ausscheren will, muss sich so verhalten, dass eine Gefährdung des nachfolgenden Verkehrs ausgeschlossen ist. Beim Überholen muss ein ausreichender Seitenabstand zu anderen Verkehrsteilnehmern, insbesondere zu den zu Fuß Gehenden und zu den Rad Fahrenden, eingehalten werden. Wer überholt, muss sich so bald wie möglich wieder nach rechts einordnen. Wer überholt, darf dabei denjenigen, der überholt wird, nicht behindern.

(4a) Das Ausscheren zum Überholen und das Wiedereinordnen sind rechtzeitig und deutlich anzukündigen; dabei sind die Fahrtrichtungsanzeiger zu benutzen.

(5) Außerhalb geschlossener Ortschaften darf das Überholen durch kurze Schall- oder Leuchtzeichen angekündigt werden. Wird mit Fernlicht geblinkt, dürfen entgegenkommende Fahrzeugführende nicht geblendet werden.

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Then, specifically, since we are supposedly talking about bicycles:

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.... A person operating a bicycle on the sidewalk shall yield the right of way to pedestrians and give an audible signal before overtaking and passing any pedestrian.

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(3) The operator shall give an audible warning whenever necessary to insure safe operation of the bicycle; provided, however, the use of a siren or whistle is prohibited.
So, there you have it. People on bicycles in Massachusetts have a license to annoy, just not with sirens or whistles.

However, in MA, there is no law about bicycling while wearing BOSE QuietComfort 35 wireless headphones, QuietControl 30 wireless headphones, QC25 noise cancelling headphones, QC20 noise cancelling headphones, or other various headphones with or without wires, even by other manufacturers.

BOSE warns to use caution while operating a vehicle and follow local laws. Other manufactures of headphones/earphones/earbuds have similar cautions.

But hey, you know all this, just like you know Bluetooth. You may rant about wires again if you wish.

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@jef: I have never felt a sense of "monotony" or bhoredom while riding. I think of it as rather a thrill.
That's great, all we have proven is that we have differing opinions. Most of my riding is for exercise or to get places. When you ride the exact same route three to five times a week, it becomes redundant in a hurry, at least to me.

I love racing my car on a track or taking off on a road trip. That doesn't mean that love of sitting behind the wheel applies to my daily commute, which is boring and dreadful. In the same way, going out for a ride for nothing but a ride in a new place is completely different than my few times a week ride I make after work.

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That's great, all we have proven is that we have differing opinions. Most of my riding is for exercise or to get places. When you ride the exact same route three to five times a week, it becomes redundant in a hurry, at least to me.
Great point. The town I used to live in only had two roads out of town - one of the most dangerous sections of the Trans Canada Highway, and a road to the next town where you might encounter four or five cars while you ride the entire length and back. That road, as lovely as it is, loses a lot of its appeal after you have riding it out and back thirty times in the past two months. The combination of tedium and very low traffic hazards make earphones a very reasonable option.
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Actually we've proven a bit more than that. We've also proven that some people have problems accepting that opinions can be different while not being "wrong".
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Where did he claim that "one must always?"
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Actually we've proven a bit more than that. We've also proven that some people have problems accepting that opinions can be different while not being "wrong".
And behave in accordance with that opinion or they will die.
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