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Old 12-23-16, 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by coominya
Most of the hotshot companies end up in holes, look at all the solar thermal plants, even with massive government help they are rolling over. Funny thing is people never seem to learn, as soon as the next wiz-bang IPO comes along they are all in for the ride. A person would be better off buying stock in stock.
Investors are all hoping for the next Apple, or Microsoft... it's like buying lottery tickets...
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Originally Posted by coominya
A self driving truck in an open cut mine is one thing, a car on suburban streets? Never take off. It's just another gimmick to attract investment capital so some IT boffins can dive Maserati's. Some people have watched too many episodes of star trek I'm afraid.
Or the Jetsons.




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Originally Posted by IndianaRecRider
Or the Jetsons.




Yes it all made sense in the seventies didn't it, when we were kids, or grown ups tripping on Acid.
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Originally Posted by Rollfast
They're in the hole pretty good anyway.
Uber lost at least $1.27 billion in the first half of 2016, according to Bloomberg's Eric Newcomer, who cites people familiar with the matter.

Bloomberg reports that Uber held a conference call with investors Friday, led by finance head Gautam Gupta, to discuss Uber's financial situation.

In the first quarter of 2016, Uber lost $520 million ("before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization"). In the second quarter, the situation worsened, and Uber's losses topped $750 million. That means Uber's total losses are at least $1.27 billion for the first half of the year.

While these losses are staggering, they are mostly consistent with previous reports. Uber lost close to $1 billion in the first half of 2015.

Uber 2016 losses exceed $1 billion - Business Insider
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Originally Posted by Sullalto
There are lots of 'next-gen' 'futuristic' vehicles, but I don't think I'd consider Tesla vaporware.
In business world there's no proprietary or competitive advantage to be gained based on a willingness to lose money on every unit sold. It's numero uno 0 to 60-- a government-subsidized full-sized slot car for millionaires.
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Originally Posted by coominya
Yes it has, but aside from iphones most of turns out to be useless or too expensive for mass uptake. But you keep hoping, one day soon, one day soon.


Originally Posted by coominya
Yes it all made sense in the seventies didn't it, when we were kids, or grown ups tripping on Acid.
So you have never used a computer, talked on a cell phone or used the internet to post to an internet forum!

I have never used illegal drugs, good thing since your Acid trips are still affecting you.

My 20 year hot water solar system has been working well for the last 30 years.
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Originally Posted by CB HI
Show me real evidence that he was.

Uber put the vehicle on the street for testing. If they are on the street for testing, why would the human be driving it?
Because the human was driving it. I know, Uber dismissing the human is just evidence of the VAST conspiracy.

Prove there isn't a basement.

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Originally Posted by CB HI

My 20 year hot water solar system has been working well for the last 30 years.
You must have a tachion drive in it for it to work longer than it has been in existance?

Oh yes, mobile phones and computers, they have you mesmerized don't they. Well the secret there is that they are the best selling thing on the planet after cheap housing units, cars and food. With the capital flowing in it's only natural they have made big advancements in that field. The trouble is it's a waste of money in one respect, the devices draw the average user away from other more productive pursuits and cost companies untold billions in lost productivity by workers taking extra long sh`t breaks just so they can leave a mean comment on facebook or an internet forum like you are today.

Cars have been evolving for over 100 years but they still burn gasoline and roll over concrete on 4 rubber tires, there is a limit it seems to what can be achieved by our current civilization and I suspect it is tied to the price of oil. Soon we will have redressed this energy imbalance on the earth where all that carbon was buried so long ago and can be done with most of this pointless rushing to and fro from technology shops to buy the latest gadget. In the mean time though lets insult each other at broadband speeds while we shop online for some more hi tech addons for our bicycles.
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Originally Posted by coominya
You must have a tachion drive in it for it to work longer than it has been in existance?

Oh yes, mobile phones and computers, they have you mesmerized don't they. Well the secret there is that they are the best selling thing on the planet after cheap housing units, cars and food. With the capital flowing in it's only natural they have made big advancements in that field. The trouble is it's a waste of money in one respect, the devices draw the average user away from other more productive pursuits and cost companies untold billions in lost productivity by workers taking extra long sh`t breaks just so they can leave a mean comment on facebook or an internet forum like you are today.

Cars have been evolving for over 100 years but they still burn gasoline and roll over concrete on 4 rubber tires, there is a limit it seems to what can be achieved by our current civilization and I suspect it is tied to the price of oil. Soon we will have redressed this energy imbalance on the earth where all that carbon was buried so long ago and can be done with most of this pointless rushing to and fro from technology shops to buy the latest gadget. In the mean time though lets insult each other at broadband speeds while we shop online for some more hi tech addons for our bicycles.
20 year warranty but still going fine at 30 years seems good to me. But you must be intentionally misreading my post or it is over your head to understand that 20 year is normal discussions would refer to the product expected life/warranty, just like 30 year roof, 40,000 mile tires, etc.

Since you are not happy with product and knowledge advances, why don't you get busy and invent the things you thing we should have had by now.
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Originally Posted by CB HI
20 year warranty but still going fine at 30 years seems good to me. But you must be intentionally misreading my post or it is over your head to understand that 20 year is normal discussions would refer to the product expected life/warranty, just like 30 year roof, 40,000 mile tires, etc.
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Are you still here flogging a dead horse?
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Originally Posted by mr_bill
Because the human was driving it. I know, Uber dismissing the human is just evidence of the VAST conspiracy.

Prove there isn't a basement.

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I sure hope I am wrong, but it sounds like you are saying the whole autonomous car thing is a huge scam, and that Uber and others employ human foils pretending to be self-driving cars... ... you aren't saying that... are you? If I am misunderstanding you then you have to explain why you think the human was driving the car.
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm
I sure hope I am wrong, but it sounds like you are saying the whole autonomous car thing is a huge scam, and that Uber and others employ human foils pretending to be self-driving cars... ... you aren't saying that... are you? If I am misunderstanding you then you have to explain why you think the human was driving the car.
Oh that's too easy... like many other humans, the driver wanted to "get there faster" than obedience to the law by a robot driver would allow... it's the whole flaw in the current self driving push... allowing humans to override the technology that would otherwise make the roads safer.
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm
I sure hope I am wrong, but it sounds like you are saying the whole autonomous car thing is a huge scam, and that Uber and others employ human foils pretending to be self-driving cars... ... you aren't saying that... are you?
Yup, it's a massively huge big league conspiracy of big league massively huge proportions - they've finally figured out how to stop losing money - this is all just a ruse to eliminate traffic laws.

Uber Denounces Traffic Light Laws After Self-Driving Car Runs Red Light

I read it on the internut.

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Originally Posted by mr_bill
Read me first.

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Excellent!
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Originally Posted by mr_bill
Yup, it's a massively huge big league conspiracy of big league massively huge proportions - they've finally figured out how to stop losng money - this is all just a ruse to eliminate traffic laws.

Uber Denounces Traffic Light Laws After Self-Driving Car Runs Red Light

I read it on the internut.

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I don't know... that's a scary read. In this age of fake news... I just don't know. That an official in a position of responsibility would make statements like that and not be asked to resign forthwith... I just don't know...

But that's one matter. You believing it is quite another. You don't really... do ya?
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A story like that has just gotta be true.
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm
You don't really... do ya?
"We don't follow rules. We are the rules."

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Originally Posted by coominya
Are you still here flogging a dead horse?
Seems it is still over your head.
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Oh that's too easy... like many other humans, the driver wanted to "get there faster" than obedience to the law by a robot driver would allow... it's the whole flaw in the current self driving push... allowing humans to override the technology that would otherwise make the roads safer.
Like self-driving cars driving in bike lanes as Uber does at least admit to that problem.
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm
I don't know... that's a scary read. In this age of fake news...
Did you guys really believe MSM all these years, even after Dan Blather's false reports?
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Originally Posted by CB HI
Like self-driving cars driving in bike lanes as Uber does at least admit to that problem.
Maybe I misunderstood the flaw Uber has with interacting with bike lanes, but I thought their issue was their cars didn't know how to merge into a bike lane prior to turning, so they just right hook anyone in the bike lane.

I'm glad they're going to confine their self-driving experiment to Pittsburgh, PA until the bugs are worked out. Needless to say, I have no plans to travel to Pittsburgh over the next several years.
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I'm glad they're going to confine their self-driving experiment to Pittsburgh, PA until the bugs are worked out. Needless to say, I have no plans to travel to Pittsburgh over the next several years.
Ya'll got to get out more.

In any event, some jurisdictions you merge then turn. Others, you yield then turn. Even if you *gasp* drive in multiple jurisdictions or *gasp* ride a bike in multiple jurisdictions, it's not that hard to not kill or not die.

But HORSIES, BASEMENTS, MSM, CNN, and OXFORD COMMAS!

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Originally Posted by B. Carfree
Maybe I misunderstood the flaw Uber has with interacting with bike lanes, but I thought their issue was their cars didn't know how to merge into a bike lane prior to turning, so they just right hook anyone in the bike lane.
They allegedly didn't merge AND didn't yield. Which frankly sounds - human.

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Originally Posted by mr_bill
Ya'll got to get out more.

In any event, some jurisdictions you merge then turn. Others, you yield then turn. Even if you *gasp* drive in multiple jurisdictions or *gasp* ride a bike in multiple jurisdictions, it's not that hard to not kill or not die.

But HORSIES, BASEMENTS, MSM, CNN, and OXFORD COMMAS!

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I thought one merged (with yield) and turned everywhere in the US except Oregon and Arizona, where one just yields and turns, at least in theory.

You'd think such a simple thing as how to make a right turn in a motor vehicle on a road with a bike lane could be standardized across the nation.
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Originally Posted by B. Carfree
I thought one merged (with yield) and turned everywhere in the US except Oregon and Arizona, where one just yields and turns, at least in theory.

You'd think such a simple thing as how to make a right turn in a motor vehicle on a road with a bike lane could be standardized across the nation.
It's not even standardized across Massachusetts. (We can't standardize crosswalks either.)

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