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Old 01-01-17, 09:27 AM   #26
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How many lumens does the rear light have? Also, is it lined up so it does not shine directly at a drivers position? What if the light produces >1100 lumens without an effective spread? That could make for a very intense light if not directed correctly. Perhaps we could be asking these questions as well.
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Sometimes I find that certain flash patterns and REALLY bright (and poorly aimed) lights make it difficult to correctly judge the distance between you and the bike in front.

Was this more the issue?
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Old 01-01-17, 10:40 AM   #28
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Lesson learned:

If you are a prat on a bicycle trackstanding in front of a bloke in a Mercedes, you can back into their bumper, throw your toys out of your pram and get the bloke to appologize to you.

If you keep yelling at the bloke you can get him to say something stupid.

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Sometimes I find that certain flash patterns and REALLY bright (and poorly aimed) lights make it difficult to correctly judge the distance between you and the bike in front.

Was this more the issue?
Does it really matter... just how close does one NEED to get... especially at a stop.
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Does it really matter... just how close does one NEED to get... especially at a stop.

At a stop, not close at all.

However, on the road it does make a difference. If you are looking ahead and planning your speed/braking etc, then suddenly you've got a lot less time or distance than you expected, then it is an issue.

Ever had a problem with some oncoming idiot driver with his high-beams on?
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Old 01-01-17, 11:14 AM   #31
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I think "your taillight is too bright" is just an excuse. The driver stopped three times behind the cyclist before he rolled up on him and bumped him. He just wasn't paying attention. And like everyone has said, if a light in front of you is too bright, back off a bit and it won't be so bright. Don't keep rolling into the source of the light.
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I wonder how old that Mercedes is. It looks as if it's forward-collision-mitigation system wasn't working.
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The driver was projecting blame on the cyclist...it's the default reaction. It just so happened that this was a blatant and obvious lie in order to do it.
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The driver was projecting blame on the cyclist...it's the default reaction. It just so happened that this was a blatant and obvious lie in order to do it.
Not according to the seemingly ever growing blame the cyclist crowd on BF. The lights are too bright, it was a setup with actors, or the cyclist was doing a trackstand and backed into the car. Wow.
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Not according to the seemingly ever growing blame the cyclist crowd on BF. The lights are too bright, it was a setup with actors, or the cyclist was doing a trackstand and backed into the car. Wow.
Guess it's a good thing some of us don't follow the crowd, eh? While this subject wouldn't ever be an example, if I presented an argument I KNEW was right, I'd lose a friend before going along with popular opinion.
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Not according to the seemingly ever growing blame the cyclist crowd on BF. The lights are too bright, it was a setup with actors, or the cyclist was doing a trackstand and backed into the car. Wow.

The person on the bike was in fact doing a trackstand and backed into the car. Sorry to let facts get in the way.

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The person on the bike was in fact doing a trackstand and backed into the car. Sorry to let facts get in the way.

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The car was moving forward and hit the cyclists rear tire.
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mr. bill is the fake news that the triggered entitled are complaining about. This is just one of many of his triggered fake news post.

Even though the cyclist was track standing, the cyclist never moved backwards, he never even had a chance to rock the bicycle before he got hit by the car that continued moving forward until the collision was made.

But again, mr. bill thinks his fake news facts are the only thing that counts.
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The car was moving forward and hit the cyclists rear tire.
The person on the bicycle was moving backwards. The camera was attached to the bicycle.

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Even though the cyclist was track standing, the cyclist never moved backwards
Untrue - the bicycle moved backwards.

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Untrue - the bicycle moved backwards.

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Like I said - your fake news.
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What ever happened to shrugging this kind of horse dung off and moving on?
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Untrue - the bicycle moved backwards.

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He might, maybe, move backwards by a couple inches while coming to a stop. Maybe. It's hard to say if it's an optical illusion or not.

Regardless, the car was way, way too close to him, which is what caused the bump, period. If I can hit you by moving backward two inches, you are far too close. In a manual transmission car, on even a very slight incline, I would probably roll backwards more than that while starting.
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The person on the bike was in fact doing a trackstand and backed into the car. Sorry to let facts get in the way.

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Doing a track stand on a freewheel bike is no mean feat. Riding backward while doing so requires special skills few if any riders possess. (note the rider coasting earlier in the video).

OTOH - if you feel the need to blame the rider here, I'll let you do so, because it's not an issue either way.

We needn't debate fault for the bump, since the driver himself admitted fault and apologized. He didn't even claim the light was the cause. he was just making a general complaint about it after following the rider for a while.

In any case, this was a no harm, no foul event for which the driver apologized and he and the cyclist parted company with no consequences.

As to whether the light was in fact bright enough to be an issue, I'll wait for the driver's dash cam video to be posted before commenting.
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They indicate you are approaching a pedestrian crossing. Used in EU and even in Hilo, Hawaii.
I saw that type of lane markings, when I lived in London(England) for a couple years in the 1970's. But on multiple trips throughout, both Western, and Eastern, Europe(Paris, Berlin, Auschwitz, Budapest, Bern and Prague) in the 1970's n' 1980's, I rarely saw them.
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Sure sounds like the driver is blaming it on the light.
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Go to minute 2:42 on the video, and please do note that the car is moving forward relative to the stripes on the road.

Sorry to let facts get in the way.
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At a stop, not close at all.

However, on the road it does make a difference. If you are looking ahead and planning your speed/braking etc, then suddenly you've got a lot less time or distance than you expected, then it is an issue.

Ever had a problem with some oncoming idiot driver with his high-beams on?
Oncoming driver??? We are discussing the distance between a vehicle and the following vehicle... where at least, at a minimum, the 2 second rule should be used...
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The wheel rotated backwards before the crash, not accident. Proof that "not a mean feat" can be accomplished by prats on bicycles, or maybe it is an optical illusion, or 1/d*d, or maybe oil and water are not slippery!

Before the crash, not accident:


Moment of crash, not accident:


Speaking of optical illusion, you might want to think of parallax and moving cameras.

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The wheel rotated backwards before the crash, not accident. Proof that "not a mean feat" can be accomplished by prats on bicycles, or maybe it is an optical illusion, or 1/d*d, or maybe oil and water are not slippery!


Speaking of optical illusion, you might want to think of parallax and moving cameras.

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Nice cat photos, but they have little to do with the motorist driving into the back wheel of the cyclist.
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