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Old 01-04-17, 02:12 PM   #26
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And she was correct:


https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/815.220


I remember seeing a story on the local news decades ago when those Garfield the cat stuffed animals that you could affix to your windshields with suction cups became popular. A member of our state police warned that you could be ticketed for obstructing your view.
Same in TX, and a major reason a lot of the mirror-hanger parking permits shrunk to a small card that pretty well hides behind the mirror.

OTOH, we have had at least one idiot here with a bunch of crap hanging from the mirror who got a ticket for it, and another as she was leaving the courthouse annex parking lot from paying the first. The second cop even called the first to wait near her house and see if she put the junk back on the mirror after she got out of his sight, but apparently two $150 fines outweighed her "right" to have 3-4 pounds of Mardi Gras beads, stuffed animals and other garbage blocking her view of half what's going on in front of her car.

IMO, the second cop should have added on reckless driving.
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Anecdote that doesn't prove anything: a coworker got into a car-car accident. The other driver was at fault, but was an illegal alien driving his (US citizen) girlfriend's car. Her insurance would not cover the accident unless she filed a police report saying the car was stolen. She wouldn't, so his insurance paid out for his repairs. I assume hers were not covered.
That seems weird. I would have thought that your co-worker's insurance would have insisted on collecting from the girlfriend's insurance if she DIDN'T file a report saying the car was stolen.

My mail carrier had a similar situation. The drug-addicted drunk unlicensed repeat drunk-driver mother of a car-owner plowed into my carrier's boyfriend's pick-up and also into my mail carrier's car, totaling all three vehicles and injuring both innocent parties. The drunk's daughter tried to claim that her mother didn't have permission to drive the car so her insurance shouldn't have to pay. Unfortunately for her, the mother's boyfriend lives on my carrier's route so my carrier was able to get several witness statements affirming that the mother regularly uses the car to come get intoxicated at her boyfriend's place.

The drunk's daughter now pays higher insurance premiums and the drunk is in substance abuse treatment and is no longer allowed to drive her daughter's car. My carrier and her boyfriend both got satisfactory settlements and are healing. I guess that's what passes for a happy ending in these sort of things.
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Anecdote that doesn't prove anything: a coworker got into a car-car accident. The other driver was at fault, but was an illegal alien driving his (US citizen) girlfriend's car. Her insurance would not cover the accident unless she filed a police report saying the car was stolen. She wouldn't, so his insurance paid out for his repairs. I assume hers were not covered.
Best reason to max out your uninsured/underinsured motorist coverage even if you have to raise your liability limits to do it. Let your insurance company use their lawyers to figure things out after they've paid for your damage.
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Just yesterday someone who had adopted that approach overlooked a speeding minivan near my house and had his head planted in the windshield. He survived and she was cited for failing to have insurance.

Man struck by minivan on Valley River Drive taken to hospital with nonlife-threatening injuries | Local | Eugene, Oregon
Is he here on Bike Forums? Everyone else on here is perfect. If not on Bike Forums, I can see how he could have a lapse of concentration and get hit jaywalking. He should join Bike Forums and then he'll never ever make another mistake.
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If you put a real punishment on people who willingly let those without licenses drive, and put a block in state computers prohibiting those without licenses from registering vehicles and buying new ones, you can cut way down on the access.
Not necessarily the best approach; I used to work with a legally blind man who owned/registered/insured a car, so that when he had people drive him around they didn't have to put miles on their own cars. It also provided a nice incentive for people who had a license but no car to help him out, as they could run their own errands while he was at a doctor's appointment or whatever. I've known a couple of people who had lost their license for other reasons but did the same, and in most community property states you'd effectively be banning the spouse from owning a car as well.
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it was probably his idea of an apology
This.

And unlike most apologies, it has the additional merit of honesty.

In my experience, it is more common to get a death threat or a stream of profanity.
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He should join Bike Forums and then he'll never ever make another mistake.
Just so long as the pedestrian can quote chapter and verse from obscure traffic code, late 1800's early 1900's road use history and safety pamphlets; and carry copies of those documents on their person at all times in case anyone should doubt the veracity of the product of this scholarship!
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Not necessarily the best approach; I used to work with a legally blind man who owned/registered/insured a car, so that when he had people drive him around they didn't have to put miles on their own cars. It also provided a nice incentive for people who had a license but no car to help him out, as they could run their own errands while he was at a doctor's appointment or whatever. I've known a couple of people who had lost their license for other reasons but did the same, and in most community property states you'd effectively be banning the spouse from owning a car as well.
Well, tweak it to be anyone who has lost a license. My original wording was not meant to be the exact legalese, to was meant to convey a general idea for discussion.

As to community property, the spouse could register and own it, under the same condition that it be confiscated and insurance be nullified if the license-less spouse decided to drive it.
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Is he here on Bike Forums? Everyone else on here is perfect. If not on Bike Forums, I can see how he could have a lapse of concentration and get hit jaywalking. He should join Bike Forums and then he'll never ever make another mistake.
Oh good. That's why I'm here. I was just hoping this would be true, but since it's now been posted in the open Bible of A&S, I can rest assured that this is the given word.
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I wonder if anybody responding to this thread have had the opportunity to view any of the TV Judge programs....i.e. Judge Judy, People's Court......to see why the solutions given here regarding punishment for those driving without proper documentation or for a vehicle owner allowing someone to drive their vehicle without such documentation WILL NOT SUCCEED in preventing injuries.

Having no license, no insurance, lacking the ability to see, lacking the ability to comprehend signs or signals, lacking common sense even lacking the most basic of vehicle operating skills has not, does not or ever will prevent some people from operating a vehicle no matter what the penalty is unless it is incarceration for life or death.
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Having no license, no insurance, lacking the ability to see, lacking the ability to comprehend signs or signals, lacking common sense even lacking the most basic of vehicle operating skills has not, does not or ever will prevent some people from operating a vehicle no matter what the penalty is unless it is incarceration for life or death.
There is that. Of all the places in this town that I've cycled, walked or driven, the one where I've had the most close calls is passing at the entrance to the senior citizens center parking lot. Not even the college can keep up. The safety of others means nothing if it keeps them from getting to and from bingo.
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There is that. Of all the places in this town that I've cycled, walked or driven, the one where I've had the most close calls is passing at the entrance to the senior citizens center parking lot. Not even the college can keep up. The safety of others means nothing if it keeps them from getting to and from bingo.
I hear you... I had an elderly friend, extremely intelligent, very fit for his age but was blind in right eye and diminishing vision in the left. He would drive by sighting the fog line and keep straight at intersections when the line disappeared hoping no body came close to or was pulling out. His family finally convinced him to give up driving but not until his van became pretty dinged up.
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